Saturday, 17 July 2010
Sullivan and Gold will have to show their hand over next 2 weeks
So far so ordinary. We have Hitlersburger, Ben Haim, Barerra and Piquionne. Of those, only Barerra has the potential to set the pulses racing, but staking all your hopes on a young, untried Mexican is like risking your house and kids in a poker game on a pair of twos. You may win, but it isn't advisable.
For all the excitement when we signed Hitlersburger, he arrives on the back of a very bad season and wasn't considered good enough for the Germany squad. He is probably an average Premiership midfielder and not much more.
As for Piquionne and Benhaim, well they are the equivalent of a pair of slippers and new boxers as Christmas presents. Yes they may come in useful, but you don't wait 12 months in the hope of getting them do you? How much have that lot cost us? Hitlersburger arrived on a free, Barerra only cost £4m and that probably wasn't paid up front, Piquionne cost a cool million and Ben Haim came gift wrapped as a way of easing Pompey's wage bill. So S&G have shelled out a maximum of £5m thus far, if we ignore signing on fees and wages. That could be recouped by the sale on one player!
Of course we have been linked with others, with mouth wateringly expensive deals, but they haven't resulted in signings have they? Going back to the poker analogy, they are no more than bluffs so far, designed to impress but amounting to nothing. The timing of the invitation to buy tickets for the Paolo Di Canio lounge, at £1,800 plus a piece, is interesting. Wouldn't that be a more exciting prospect if you were watching Naymar and Remy rather than Piquionne and McCarthy?
The next two weeks will be very illuminating as Sullivan and Gold have to show their hand. If the four signings are designed to bolster the existing squad then great. Piquionne is a good option to McCarthy as a partner for Cole, should we play 4-4-2 and a reasonable stand in when Carlton is injured. Ben Haim is an experienced option for the centre back berth: we cannot afford to pair Tomkins and Da Costa together. Barerra will hopefully offer the width we were crying out for all last season. And Hitlersburger has the potential to score from midfield, something we desperately need. Chuck that into the pot with the players who finished last season, then the squad looks pretty good, although most agree that a good right back is still needed and maybe a left back too if Ilunga is still in the doldrums.
But that assumes no exits. If, suddenly, we see four players sold to balance the additions to the squad, then we will know what S&G are really up to. Imagine, for a moment, that Cole, Upson, Diamanti and Kovac are all moved on over the next two weeks, for fees totalling £20m plus. Well, suddenly the team will look weaker than last season (Cole is better than Piquionne, Diamanti will score more than Hitlersburger and Upson is better than Ben Haim), and S&G will have banked a £15m surplus on transfer deals, not to mention easing the wage bill. Suddenly, the asset stripping argument will resurface.
Of course, there is a middle way. Any sales may be designed to fund new arrivals. The first four may be designed to deepen the squad and future deals may be based on improving the team. To buy Remy or Naymar, we may have to sell Cole for example. The worry then is how the deals are structured. We have not landed Remy because S&G will not pay up front and the Barerra deal includes a sell on element where Pumas are hoping to make the bulk of their money. But S&G will want money on the table to sell. You can bet your life that £12m today for Cole will be accepted ahead of £7m now, £5m next year, £3m the next and bonuses based on international appearances and goals scored. Never mind the long term, the priority would appear to be raising money now and parting with as little as possible for the foreseeable future.
The worry is that despite the huge financial rewards of being in and staying in the Prem, we have, thus far, invested just £5m in the squad. Wolves paid more than that on one player! Wolves! The team that was already good enough to humiliate us at Upton Park last season! And Stoke have apparently bid £12m for Cole. Stoke, the team already good enough to do the double over us last season!
The transfer merry go round is about to start as players return from breaks after the World Cup. We will know what S&G are really up to within the next fortnight. I would settle for sticking with the squad we have now, plus a utility defender who can cover at right back and left back. My fear, is that there will be comings and goings and that diamonds will be traded for paste and cash. Let's hope I am wrong!
What an awfully negative viewpoint you have HF!
ReplyDeleteSo SuGo are out to screw WH like all the previous owners are they? It wouldn't surprise me but it's more than likely wrong and nothing more than a desperate effort to drum up traffic for a piss poor blog...
Where do I say that is what will happen exactly? I go through the possibilities and include the possibility that they have deepened the squad. What do you disagree with in the article exactly?
ReplyDeleteThis piss poor blog is getting more than half a million hits a year by the way.
Why would anybody actually believe that SuGo would be any different to previous owners Money makes the world go round esp in their lives The only way it would change is if someone who stood in the chicken run and still drags their sorry arse to games were to suddenly acquire £750mill with a future income of 750mill pa bought the club
ReplyDeleteI am trying to find the funds but feel we may win the European league b4 that happens
oh by the way we will never even get into that European league We will always be that club that does it right (hopefully) while the others do it better
ReplyDeleteWhen I'm looking comment on what's happening at West Ham, I come here. So, it would seem do all those whinging Anons who turn up regularly to be outraged...
ReplyDeleteThat said, that was a disgraceful, negative post HF... Nah, Only winding you up! But in the spirit of constructive criticism, don't you think that 'slippers and a pair of boxing shorts for Christmas' is just about where West Ham are at the moment? Given that we are coming of the back of an attrocious season, I just can't see quality coming to Upton Park.
If Grant can put in a decent season we might be able to bring a few decent names in next year. I think I might have said, something to the followings effect last season, but I think West Ham need to make some long term plans rather than constantly fire fighting in the short term.
Yep Rab, if we have seen squad deepening, then I'm happy as I say. If this is stage one of squad reshaping, then ok. If this is a stepping stone to asset stripping of the squad, then we need to be worried. That's why the next two weeks will be illuminating.
ReplyDeleteG + S are very clever business people, we will sell some squad players (Kovac + Gabbidon)and maybe even a couple of first teamers such as Illunga + Upson.
ReplyDeleteBut we must get behind whatever it is that they are doing, even if they decide to cash in on Parker, no-one wants to see parker go, but a bid of 10 million is huge and should be accepted as soon as it is made.
Lets have faith in the management team.
C.O.Y.I
www.followtheirons.blogspot.com
It's that sort of blind trust that we can ill afford. It is crass and naive and if your blog is going to consist of arse licking the owners then it aint going to build an audience daniel. Why would any right minded individual TRUST S&G? Why would any FAN tolerate asset stripping of the squad and say, "In S&G we trust"? One idiot on the Org is already signing off every contribution with "In Avram and S&G we trust"! Do you morons learn nothing? In Zola you trusted! In Turds you trusted! In Eggert you trusted! The starting point is that these guys are always looking after number one, and number one aint Robert Green in their eyes. Trust in nobody!
ReplyDeleteWell, let's see what will happen...
ReplyDeleteYesterday I watched the hammers on the trainings pitch. Dyer and Ilunga seemed pretty fit, Diamanti took place and even Mc Carthy tried to loose some weight. There was only one bad thing: No Carlton Cole...
Really H4MM3R, that is worrying!
ReplyDeleteBy the way Dan, the blog looks good but you need to spell check your headlines!
ReplyDeleteYeah great traffic, most is from you including the comments.
ReplyDeletelol, ok mate, cheers!
ReplyDeleteAny tips on how to get the blog available for people to see?
now now anonymous.......
ReplyDeletei just started the blog last week, after i was asked to do so. Just getting used to things.
Why dont you give us all your blog address so we can read what you are writing?
Hmmm [shakes head]....a ball has yet to be kicked and already your 'forecast' is of ominously dark rainclouds of doom HF?! This, despite the fact that new signings were promised...and new signings have been delivered!!
ReplyDeleteOf course, they're not the 'world-beaters' that YOU yourself would have recommended...that's clear from your damning and frankly, insulting indictments of each and every one of them! I won't even bother reiterating the analogies, because they simply suck!
My point is...what or who exactly did you expect?! Don't get me wrong here...West Ham are a BIG club and should have BIG stars on the books, but the current financial situation won't change overnight!
There are no sudden mystery funds available to buy the likes of Neymar, Henry, Klose etc...and even if deals for Remy and Cole DID reach fruition, they would have to be on more favourable HP terms than your old Aunty's Kays bloody catalogue!
It would now appear that the media hype regarding a Russian billionaire's investment in the club is just mist of the Scottish variety...G&S confirmed there has been no such contact.
It also appears that Gold & Sullivan Independent Traders Inc are unwilling or unable to dig deep and provide huge funds for transfers from their own infinite personal cash reserves, as promised...why should they?
But what they have done, in my opinion, is not only fulfilled their promise of signings, but conducted good business in the process. That is what they do. That is what they're good at. It's not called arse-licking the owners...it's called waiting to see what they do...and on this showing their actions are speaking louder than their words. Indeed, the jury IS still out on G&S...
...But a total of £5 million outlay for Hitzlsperger (note how I spell his name correctly AND respectfully!), Barrera and Piquionne is VERY good business, with the possibility of Ben Haim in addition on a 'free'?!
Some, like you, might call it 'deepening the squad' on the cheap with players that 'nobody else wants'.
But then some, like me, might say 'no, happy with that....4 quality players'....and without 'deepening' the debt in the process!
Avram's pleased as punch with the new acquisitions too...so let's hope there's a couple more 'surprises' to come...and let's get right behind the team and the manager and be positive eh?! COYI!!
I think my analogies are fair mate. Nothing wrong with boxers and slippers. Just not very exciting. But we need them. I don't think the article is critical particularly and I don't think it concludes anything different from yours personally. I just express concern about what MIGHT happen over the next two weeks. I do say I hope I'm wrong!
ReplyDeleteGood News: Coley took part in the game against Gladbach!
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