People seem to be a little bit confused here. In all the excitement of winning the bid to RENT the Olympic Stadium, there has been this absurd assumption that it will somehow guarantee success. Top players will want to join to join us apparently because of the joy of playing in front of 60,000 Happy Hammers every week.
That, of course, is nonsense. Look at Sheffield Wednesday and Blackpool. Who has the bigger stadium, but who currently languishes in the third tier of English football exactly? I know that Hillsborough is a dump, but there is the blithe assumption that we will be able to fill and maintain the new stadium, ensuring that it will always look pristine, irrespective of what happens to us on the pitch.
Arsenal is a case in point, and I'm talking talking about the Emirates - although the trophies have dried up since the move because money has not been available to strengthen the team. Look what happened when they tried playing Champions League games at Wembley. As with our move, the accountants were able to prove that it was the right thing to do, but did Arsenal win the Champions League? Results went backwards if I remember correctly and the alien atmosphere was blamed. Did revenues increase? No, because Arsenal did not progress as far in the competition as they would have done had they played at Highbury. Wembley, of course, did not and does not have a running track!
I have asked the question before and will ask the question again, where are 60,000 fans suddenly going to appear from? The stock answer seems to be that we will reduce prices, but if we have to do that to fill a larger stadium, what's the point of the bigger capacity? It's like taking a new job because it pays more, but accepting a more expensive commute in order to do it.
The next argument seems to be that we are only struggling to fill Upton Park because we are struggling on the pitch. The logic goes like this: we move to the new stadium and we fill it because we are successful on the pitch. Anybody see the hole in this argument? Why will moving to a new stadium suddenly turn us into a successful team? If that's the case, why don't we win when we play at Old Trafford and the Emirates?
In the old days, we turned Upton Park into a fortress. It was the claustrophobic, intense, intimate nature of the place that won us points. Like it wins points for Stoke City. How difficult will it be for opposition teams if, as some of us fear, the new stadium is a soul less bowl, at best two thirds full? How will the players be lifted by a "Claret and Blue Army" that they hear like an echo of an earlier era, how will they be inspired by "Bubbles" that drift over time and space before dying somewhere over a running track? And why, as a player, would you want to play for a club where home games are played in a vacuum rather than a pressure cooker?
Every argument put forward by those in favour of the stadium is contingent upon us succeeding on the pitch. But if money is being spent on the stadium, it is not being invested in the team. Every pound spent on stadium conversion is a pound not spent on team conversion. Arsenal started with a great team but that great team stopped winning things. We start with a shit team so shouldn't people be a little worried here?
But there must be a logic behind the move, mustn't there? Sullivan and Gold would not be doing this to cut their own throats would they? Well, to answer that one, you need to look closely at how the new stadium is being financed with other people's money and what happens to the revenue from the sale of the Boleyn. The debt stays with the club, what happens to the revenue?
Under the Curbishley era, I talked a lot about what West Ham stood for, about how I would prefer to be in the bottom half of the table playing the West Ham way rather than in the top half playing kick and run. I have consistently tried to defend the values, heritage and soul of West Ham. We belong at the Boleyn, it is our home. We are not a Manchester United and do not need a Theatre of Dreams and having the theatre does not guarantee the dreams .
Many, many years ago, I saw Genesis in the Bristol Hippodrome. It was a magical experience, so intense, so intimate, so exciting - it felt like you really could reach out and touch Gabriel as he sang the final line of The Musical Box. Fifteen years or so later, I saw Prince at Earls Court. Except I didn't. I saw this speck on stage and watched a big screen throughout. I stopped going to concerts after that.
Who exactly do you support, it isn't west ham. Seriously, either you run this web site to get hits for money or you are a 100% wanker.
ReplyDeleteSimples, if there is a new WH stadium, people will go and see if the experience is worth the wedge. What else do you expect to happen.
hahahaha this is why I entered the game, and this is why I return time and time again.... this is what I love to see. I love it when you get it hopeless and momentously wrong, I love it when you clutch at straws to try hopelessly to PROVE your "point" thinking that capital letters and millions of words somehow legitimise your ramblings.
ReplyDeleteThe vast majority of posters here realise that one thing in life you can always be sure of is change, and that a new 60,000 seat stadium is a GOOD thing. Positivity on this blog is pretty amazing considering the amount of negativity that you spew week in and week out.
As someone has already mentioned the extra fans will come because the OS is much easier to get to. Railway, DLR, Tube and buses galore - you'll even be able to drive and park outside.
Trust you to completely get in wrong on such a colossal occasion.
COYI
ps: Genesis exciting!?!?!?! hhahaaaahhhaaaaa feck man you are so amazingly lame. The Sex Pistols where exciting, Led Zeppelin where exciting, the Rolling Stones where exciting - Genesis have always been limp and so bloody middle of the road.
There are none so blind as those who will not see. And let's face it, most of the crowd in the OS won't be able to see without binoculars!
ReplyDeletewhat are you griping about you mini-season ticket merchant?
ReplyDelete"£10m Retractable Seating to Solve OS Running Track Issue!" Waaayyy haaaay - life just gets better
ReplyDelete"West Ham to sign a 250 year lease on the OS"
ReplyDelete1159, interesting. Did you ever see The Sex Pistols - with Vicious? I did. Penzance. The stadium was so intimite that I could see Vicious slicing his flesh with a razor blade, I could see the stipple artex effect of the spittle hanging from the ceiling, I could feel the wall of noise hitting me as the first chords were struck, and I could see the blood splattered as Vicious indiscrimately lashed his guitar into what is now called the mosh pit, foollowing his threat, "The next f***** c*** who spits at me is going to get my f***** guitar in his face." Want a football analogy, it was like the days before crowd segregation when we played Tottenham! I've also seen Zeppelin live and Floyd and Bowie, but sadly not the Stones. To bbe honestt, Gabriel as the consumate performer, bettered them all. Post Gabriel, the band were a joke. Like West Ham without the guiding spirit of Greenwood and all the heritage that goes with the Boleyn!
ReplyDeleteI've only been to Upton Park 6 times, so I will not pretend to understand the feeling of leaving that you have.
ReplyDeleteHaving seen what a new stadium can do over here for teams in baseball, the NFL, even college sports, I see this as a good move.
Kevin Keegan penned an article for ESPN that is worth a read.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/878564/kevin-keegan:-west-ham-have-won-the-lottery-with-olympic-stadium?cc=5901
Cheers
There are only so many retractable seats you could put in front of the permanent ones because the angle of the permanent seats is set therefore causing sight-line issues. Unless they are going to sink the pitch a further 10 metres down....which I doubt. So let's not be fooled by the retractable seating argument either.
ReplyDeleteNOBLE AGAIN. FFS, why cant people see?!?!
ReplyDeleteno amount of bellyaching is going to make a difference, man up HF.
ReplyDelete14:45 saw the pistols, the damned, the stranglers and the Stones...
ReplyDelete"exciting Genesis" sums you up perfectly.
Yep seen The Stanglers too. Exciting Gabriel would be a fairer summation given my criticism of the band after he left. Have you ever seen him? If not, you are not really in a position to talk are you? I can compare, having seen the Pistols too.
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