Anybody else worried to hear Sullivan saying,
"We can now sit down and look at players' contracts. With regards to Upson and Green, it depends on our finances. We will do everything we can to retain our best players, but at the same time we can't spend money we don't have."
There are rumours that Dyer is going to be dumped (about time) and Boa-Morte's contract runs out at the end of the season (no loss there), so there will be very few big wage earners left at the club come July. Any money you like that Faubert will be moved out if we can find a taker!
Upson and Green will certainly be looking for bumper deals and it doesn't sound to me as if Sullivan is going to oblige. Now, this may make good business sense but does it make good football sense? I don't rate Green that highly and suspect we can find a replacement who is just as good. Upson, however, is far and away our best defender and he will be a big loss.
The biggest worry centres on Cole however. Why did we sign THREE forwards? Do the two Davids fancy selling our England striker in the summer? Watch that space!
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I suppose with Green and Upsom having only a year left on their contracts they perhaps would like to see who is offering what, and if some club offers more than what the D's reckon they can afford or what the players are worth and a good transfer fee is there. it would be sensible business to let them go. Carlton Cole however is different, and if he was sold I would be very disappointed in the D's. I like to think that they signed three strikers who are all desperate to get into their world cup national sides to create competition for two places in the team which hopefully will result in goals!!
Fanno, to be fair, Illan is only on a 1 season contract and Mido is in on loan. Who knows if Illan plays like shite and we decide to sell him or if Mido doesn't do all that great and we just return him to Al Zamalek who could sell him elsewhere or whatever. The only long-term contract really is McCarthy. I think what may happen is that either Illan and Mido don't stay at West Ham, meaning we'd have Cole, Franco, McCarthy, Ilan/Mido/or neither!, and Diamanti (even though he's not really a striker). this just means we can actually put Nouble or Sears on loan..I think the fact that we didn't sign those two strikers (Illan and Mido) on long term deals means that we care about players like Carlton Cole. With Upson and Green, yeah, they might leave over the summer, and I feel like Upson would be a huge loss because he's developed a sturdy relationship with Tomkins, but who knows what may happen. We'll probably sell Gabbidon and Davenport and that'll make up for it? They said they won't break the bank to keep Green and Upson, and I think instead of fooling around with money, we should just be realistic. Green's great, but even you said that he has his flaws..maybe we'll see a breakthrough from Kurucz or Stech this part of the season..who knows? In the end, I'm glad they aren't selling Parker (or even considering it at least)! I know, it sounds very optimistic, but I'm trying my best to be level-headed.
thee eternal doooom monger strikes again. look back on a few of your doom laden articles and just count how many times your were negative and WRONG as opposed to negative and right. for some the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train, methinks this is how hammersfan views the world or certainly the crazeee world of west ham.
2019, fair point! I predicted a relegation fight this season and... I predicted Ashton would never play again and...I predicted that Collins would be a huge loss and...I predicted that the financial turmoil was much worse than Duxbury was letting on and...I predicted that the way of resolving the debt would be to redevelop Upton Park and...
What have I got wrong? We have kept Upson and Parker - but that may well be because nobody actually wanted them. It sounded to me as if we would have let Upson go had anybody met the £9m valuation in August! We don't know if promises have been made to Upson and Parker about being allowed to leave in the summer if any of Liverpool, Man City or Tottenham come in from them. Remember, Parker is on a big wage too.
Here's a prediction to judge me by: Upson, Green, Parker and Faubert will all be sold in the summer as part of squad restructuring. Dyer's contract will be "bought out" if we can and Boa-Morte will be released. The aim will be to establish a wage structure in keeping with a mid table (or below) Prem team. That is IF we stay up. Should we go down, they will all go along with Behrami and Cole.
Come back to me in August 2010 and quote this prediction. We will see how right I am!
just when you think you can't go any further up your own rectum.... you go another 8 inches further. Amazing
Hammersfan, i understand your concerns as always. Personally i believe Mr.Sullivan reads the blogs & would take note of what he reads. I am a regular watcher of Hardtalk & i saw the interview with Stephen Sackur. I watched & listened to both the facial expressions & tone of voice of Mr.Sullivan & the indications are that he was telling the truth. As you know i am a 3rd generation Plaistow boy. Although i no longer live there, my grandpa lived there from when he came back from the Great War & my mum grew up there through the second world war as i did later as a boy. What i saw in David Sullivan was both commonsense & genuine feeling for our club as shown by the fact that he wore our jersey on camera. As the conversation with Mr.Sackur indicated, a football club these days is run primarily as a business, fact of life. Our primary consideration at this stage is both maintaining our place in the Premier League & servicing our debt. It's the same as a family with three kids. If you have a huge mortgage & the credit cards are maxed out, your job is looking shakey, cutbacks need to be made, then the economics of your life need to be taken stock of, or you are headed for tears. If those players that you have named listen to their agents & we cannot or are not prepared to pay what they want because of our finances at the time, then off they go. If other clubs with billionaire owners are prepared to pay the odds, then how can we compete with that. One club is already looking at going to the wall. If you look at the debt of even some of the big clubs, it is astronomical. A football club can be like a gambler, you pump the funds in, do not achieve success then go further into debt chasing what you have lost. Many sad people have lost all doing that. Mr.Sullivan will not do that. The Icelanders came with a dream but let it get out of hand. When the bad times came, here we find ourselves. Sooner or later something such as a salary cap will have to come. It has to, or we will become like Rangers & Celtic. These overseas billionaires are bad for our game. A stable financial position & a comfortable mid table finish would be a step forward at the moment. Rome was not built in a day. It makes sense that it will take three or four years to consolidate. Mr.Sullivan sounds like he can do that. It is noble to dream, & even nobler to achieve that dream. If we have players who do not want to be part of that, looks like they will be off then. The interview was excellent. Even at the end where Mr.Sullivan & Stephen Sackur clasped hands, you could see a genuine smile & respect in Sackurs face & tone of voice.
I'll not wait till August I'll come back now
YOU HAVE PREDICTED NOTHING
There was lots of talk only a few months after Deans injury by many people/blogs that he would not play again after such a bad injury. I myself spoke to Dean just after his first come back at the ground (you know that place you never visit and can't even get the name right) and blogged then that he would not play again, all you have done is READ other peoples comments around the web then claimed them for your own. We are not in a relegation fight yet, 3 points this weekend (not that you would want that of course, nothing to gloat about) and we are clear, other results go for us so much the better. We are having a tough season but have loads of games left to finish quite nicely mid table. A fool could see we would miss Collins and a fool could see that out debts were cica 111 million (you are a fool on both counts). There was enough written about the massive debt months ago and then talked about all over the web for months, a trained chimp with your key board could have seen that. Just because you find something on the web that a few others may not have seen yet does not make it a prediction of yours, to claim otherwise only serves to make you look the fool you so obviously are. It's natural for any company to tell lies about their debt that is par for the course but how would you know that? Drag yourself away from that computer of yours and go get a job. One of two things I'll predict, we'll see less of you on this blog PLEASE GOD and you'll be able to afford a tcket to go and see your team play football once in a while
OUR GROUND IS CALLED THE BOLEYN GROUND NOT UPTON PARK and you call yourself a hammers fan ROFL absolutely larghable. Redevelopment of Upton Park is inevitable (has been for years) as a natural progression and West Ham was always going to have to move out the Icelanders talked about it the minute they were in the door for the world and his wife to hear right after the take over On 21 November 2006 some prediction
YOU PREDICT NOTHING you are a poor excuse for a fan and a clown but you are so far up your own alimentary canal you can't even see it
LOL at 11.38. Well said, couldn't agree more.
You should work at being more direct, don't hold back on our account...
1138 LOL Tell Sullivan and Gold we are not in a relegation fight because they have said we are! So has Zola! Three points clear IF RESULTS GO OUR WAY is hardly a safety margin. We are out of a relegation place by the skin of our teeth at the moment!
Unlike you and the other "monkeys", I was forecasting a relegation struggle BEFORE the season kicked off! And I was being called an idiot and a traitor for doing so! I forecast that Ashton would not play again when Duxbury and Zola were saying how much they were looking forward to seeing him back in a West Ham shirt - and I was saying that Duxbury was lying to avoid pressure from the fans to buy another striker. How accurate was I? Look back to the history to see the abuse that was directed at me.
Want some other things I predicted? That Tottenham would finish above us last season when we were in mid table and Tottenham were in the bottom three. And before this season's kick off, that Tottenham would challenge for a Champions League place this season, along with Villa and Man City and that Liverpool would struggle both on the pitch and financially.
Anyway, test me on the predictions I have now made!
Winston/HF
"A stable financial position & a comfortable mid table finish would be a step forward at the moment." I completely agree. Many people will accuse us of lacking ambition but they would be being extremely naive and out of touch with the harsh realities.
I think two things would have to happen if we were to make the Champions League spots. A big investor will have to come in OR changes happen in the game which make it a more even playing field for smaller clubs financially. Both methods will involve a considerable period of time though.
It's funny how Sullivan always talks about Portsmouth before making his "one club will go out of business" statement, and then says "that club will remain nameless". Don't make it obvious David!
This is a bit of a punt, and I'd like your views on it HF and Winston, but I reckon Gold and Sullivan checked out a few clubs before they bought us with Portsmouth being one of them. It is why they know so much about Portsmouth's plight. If this is true, it is the only concern I have over Gold and Sullivan i.e. why would they check out other clubs when West Ham had always been 'on sale' for that period and it is the club they've always wanted. Were they having a look at which club could make them most profit? If so, do we really want them here?
lol at HF - you sound like a five year old.
How sad are you? Grow up mate.
17:52 what predictions are they then, you don't make any? You just like the sound of your own drivel, verbal diarrhoea I think they call it. Because Zola is naïve that makes you a soothsayer does it, when by that time you had read all the other stories about Dean Ashton, from people who actually know something about football? G&S say we are in a relegation fight do they and we are 15th with 15 to play a lot of which are winnable and we have three new strikers with a lot of other players coming back, sounds like they know as much about football as you do. Ask Pompey, Bolton, Wolves, Hull and Burnley if they would like to be three points clear. That’s where you should have predicted your relegation fight oopps missed again oracle LOL You were “predicting relegation before the season kicked off” that's because you are a very unhappy negative kind of person AND your wrong again, 15th with 15 to play new strikers la la la “And I was being called an idiot and a traitor for doing so!” now there is a prediction I like the sound of oracle ho hum. Duxbury lying so what have a look at all the other West Ham blogs hundreds of people have been saying it for ages, no mysterious mysticism there then. Why on earth would I want to look back into the history of this sad blog, I’d rather stick pins in my eyes; you like the abuse direct at you, you instigate it and get off on it, you post blogs to get it. Spurs made a false start any fool could see that but why are you taunting West Ham fans on a so called West Ham blog, see you like the abuse you get for yourself, you love it, masochism I think they call it. The rest of your so called predictions are more drivel some guesses get close to the mark so what that is the same for the everyone else inc' the pundits?
NOW SHOW ME SOME REAL PREDICTIONS TO TEST YOU ON CLOWN!!!
1914, you misquote me - I said a relegation struggle. You are clearly an idiot if you do not recognise that we are in a relegation battle at the moment.
The predictions were made above:
"Here's a prediction to judge me by: Upson, Green, Parker and Faubert will all be sold in the summer as part of squad restructuring. Dyer's contract will be "bought out" if we can and Boa-Morte will be released. The aim will be to establish a wage structure in keeping with a mid table (or below) Prem team. That is IF we stay up. Should we go down, they will all go along with Behrami and Cole."
Or do you regard the departure of half the team as cut and dried and obvious? Interesting if you do!
Come back to me in August 2010 and quote this prediction. We will see how right I am!
Stani, S&G did look at Pompey and Palace. They claim to have looked at 20 clubs. Interesting given it was always their life long ambition to own West Ham as you say! We love them so much we may buy one of nineteen other clubs instead!
See, that's well dodgy. It seems as though they made a killing from Brum and wanna do it again and move on. Only time will tell.
What are they gonna do with their money the old codgers? They cant take it to the grave so why not put it into the club. They've not got long left as it is. I hope they leave a lasting legacy like Jack Walker did at Rovers.
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