Thursday, 28 February 2013

Allardyce or Di Canio?

(Article submitted by Steve Heighton)
 
The big question BFS v PDC . The holder v the pretender. The experience v the new boy . The drab v the flair and so I could continue but I won't . The important thing here is to forget the press and the clamor of isolated fans with hero worship as their main argument rather than any football logic. The main block of true supporters know two things . Sam has so far got the points on the board playing in his style and secondly he makes some shocking decisions that make no sense and he speaks nonsense in his after match statements be it on tv, radio or the club website. 


So point one. Well the truth is we have the points on the board. For whatever reason we have them. At this stage perhaps not enough of them but we are still in a better place than we might have expected  and certainly better than those below us. The general rule of thumb is you must have 3 worse teams than you below you . So if QPR, Reading and Villa are worse than us can they, with Wigan and the Toon , still be worse than us by seven points at the seasons end. I don't trust Reading or Wigan to give up and Villa may squirm out of it although I hope not . This puts us in a relegation position if we don't get more points. We are the typical Jekyl and Hyde and this is solely down to Sam. At home we force the game and pick a team with strike power ( obviously exempting Nancy Cole and his two whole goals) and look good. We play it about better and at a higher tempo until the opposition buckle. A good trend to have and so far its worked. However away from home we are abysmal and again this is down to the manager.

Take Villa , a poor team of kids ready for taking . We could have taken the game to them with Jarvis and Cole flanking Carroll and been brave, and then if we had lost you do it with some pride, but we would more than likely have won. Instead of this Sam chickened out and played for a draw and as expected we got turned over. Not only that, we were shocking . We could hardly pass a ball, it was worse than the lower leagues. So my conclusion of Sam is he is lucky so far and sooner or later will get found out. The Dubai jolly shows what he is about . Sun and frolics rather than hard work at home . 


So why don't I want PDC then ? Well I might at some point and that may be in May . He is pssionate and fiery. None of the players even understand what that means these days. We have really poor players at the moment and a rollicking from Paolo will be water of a duck's back. What is worse, the current squad has no flair. Even Joe is not enough. Matt Jarvis could excite but have we seen it consistently yet ? No. The rest of the squad are just workers and this is just not a Paolo squad. If Sam goes, so will Nolan and Carroll . Carlton and the Piq are useless and Chamakh is a loanee. As Di Canio is a positive attack minded person, this is bad news . The defence at times is steady but no more than that  and again the middle is screaming out for a player with an eye for a pass. Its all toil but no flair. This will ruin Di Canio and will send us on a downward spiral, that is assuming we haven't already got relegated. 


So for me its down to the rest of the season. Whether we like it or not, if we can stay in the Prem, we are happy with that, even with crap football, in which case Sam has earned (and some!) his right to stay .In a second Premier season he may even get it right!  If we go down, then take Di Canio and let's go on a journey or more likely rollercoaster of a ride. At least it will be fun! And so the remainder of the season is crucial for all of us, from Sam down to the tea lady, with a passing reference to us the supporters.

It's never dull being West Ham!!

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Price drop tv is fantastic

Jack Up Norf said...

Piq has left and I'd be glad to see the back of nolan done nothing recently rather have Joe playing behind the striker if he's gonna play one up top. Would be nice to have a manager with a bit of passion aswell for a change be it PDC or somebody else.

Anonymous said...

I'm getting fed up with all this , im behind BFS only because he is our current manager but that's the only reason. BFS has proved time and time again that he has no idea about tactics and how to open up teams. Also due to his team selection and the fact that he will never drop Nolan when needed it limits us to the style and tactics that we could play. 442 for example.

BFS substitutions are a sight to be hold the recent example in the Spuds game says it all.
Just because he felt he wanted to (not needed to)play Pogetez he removed JOB who was keeping Lennon relatively quite and took off Demel who wasn't doing to bad a job (apart from gifting Bale his 1st goal)my point is if he had Spence on the bench we would have at least had a natural player in his rightful position, and Spence can actually play, for me he was one of our better players against Man u in the replay at their place and his reward for his good performance was to never be seen again . This is one of my main gripes with BFS he would rather play people out of position then use the team to the full capabilities...Tompkins at defensive midfield ?? what is BFS on, he must know that Tompkins is a center back and a very good one or are our fans "deluded" at thinking he is a future England international(or he used to be as BFS has killed the boys confidence of late).

Nolan gets injured in center midfield and instead of bringing on Collison who is a Center/left midfielder by trade whos young, an international and has energy he decides to bring on a left back in Matt Taylor for goodness sake !!
Did BFS not see the goal Collison scored against arsenal (another game where BFS should what hes all about) When Taylor missed that 1 on 1 im sure if it where Collison he would have buried that chance. Tell me im wrong ??

One striker up top , it has not been working especially away from home, and the away form tells us its not working why not experiment at least 1 time to see how we might fair with 2 up top , its not like we don't have the personnel, Tell me what team would enjoy playing against Carrol and C.Cole for example the worst this would do is give the opposing defenders more to think about then just 1 lonely striker who doesn't get any service any way or if not C.Cole try Vaz te, Paulista, chamakh etc. The reason why BFS has not once tried this all season is because he would then have to drop Nolan further more even Nolan could play as a second striker and ohhh my days I've just remembered Maiga, this guy had defenses in France running scared last season banging in goals left right and center and he played in a 2 up front formation but hes lucky to even get a seat on our bench (moral killer) . Please someone tell me what is BFS problem.

Put Jarvis on the right and you will see a different player.

The points we have on the board has not been down to BFS but due to the Squad that we have our squad is not that bad its full of experience and decent quality.

What Dicanio would offer is to play the right players and in their right positions and add his footballing philosophy to the team and also trusting his players individually allowing player to express themselves.

All BFS is doing is trying to turn us into the Bolton of old but the problem with this is they had Jay Jay Okocha , Youri Djorkaeff (world cup and euro 2000 winner) and a good Kevin Nolan at this time. We simply don't have these types of players in our locker.

im going to shut up now as i've said enough but can someone PLEASE tell me ......"what is BFS problem" he has shown us all that he is the one who is deluded.

Get Dicanio now while he has time to work with the boys before it is to late and we get relegated.

Nuff said!!

Last words
Dicanio


(posted by Essex Iron)

Di Canio said...

I'm getting fed up with all this , im behind BFS only because he is our current manager but that's the only reason. BFS has proved time and time again that he has no idea about tactics and how to open up teams. Also due to his team selection and the fact that he will never drop Nolan when needed it limits us to the style and tactics that we could play. 442 for example.

BFS substitutions are a sight to be hold the recent example in the Spuds game says it all.
Just because he felt he wanted to (not needed to)play Pogetez he removed JOB who was keeping Lennon relatively quite and took off Demel who wasn't doing to bad a job (apart from gifting Bale his 1st goal)my point is if he had Spence on the bench we would have at least had a natural player in his rightful position, and Spence can actually play, for me he was one of our better players against Man u in the replay at their place and his reward for his good performance was to never be seen again . This is one of my main gripes with BFS he would rather play people out of position then use the team to the full capabilities...Tompkins at defensive midfield ?? what is BFS on, he must know that Tompkins is a center back and a very good one or are our fans "deluded" at thinking he is a future England international(or he used to be as BFS has killed the boys confidence of late).

Nolan gets injured in center midfield and instead of bringing on Collison who is a Center/left midfielder by trade whos young, an international and has energy he decides to bring on a left back in Matt Taylor for goodness sake !!
Did BFS not see the goal Collison scored against arsenal (another game where BFS should what hes all about) When Taylor missed that 1 on 1 im sure if it where Collison he would have buried that chance. Tell me im wrong ??

One striker up top , it has not been working especially away from home, and the away form tells us its not working why not experiment at least 1 time to see how we might fair with 2 up top , its not like we don't have the personnel, Tell me what team would enjoy playing against Carrol and C.Cole for example the worst this would do is give the opposing defenders more to think about then just 1 lonely striker who doesn't get any service any way or if not C.Cole try Vaz te, Paulista, chamakh etc. The reason why BFS has not once tried this all season is because he would then have to drop Nolan further more even Nolan could play as a second striker and ohhh my days I've just remembered Maiga, this guy had defenses in France running scared last season banging in goals left right and center and he played in a 2 up front formation but hes lucky to even get a seat on our bench (moral killer) . Please someone tell me what is BFS problem.

Put Jarvis on the right and you will see a different player.

The points we have on the board has not been down to BFS but due to the Squad that we have our squad is not that bad its full of experience and decent quality.

What Dicanio would offer is to play the right players and in their right positions and add his footballing philosophy to the team and also trusting his players individually allowing player to express themselves.

All BFS is doing is trying to turn us into the Bolton of old but the problem with this is they had Jay Jay Okocha , Youri Djorkaeff (world cup and euro 2000 winner) and a good Kevin Nolan at this time. We simply don't have these types of players in our locker.

im going to shut up now as i've said enough but can someone PLEASE tell me ......"what is BFS problem" he has shown us all that he is the one who is deluded.

Get Dicanio now while he has time to work with the boys before it is to late and we get relegated.

Nuff said!!

Last words
Dicanio


(posted by Essex Iron)

Di Canio said...

I'm getting fed up with all this , im behind BFS only because he is our current manager but that's the only reason. BFS has proved time and time again that he has no idea about tactics and how to open up teams. Also due to his team selection and the fact that he will never drop Nolan when needed it limits us to the style and tactics that we could play. 442 for example.

BFS substitutions are a sight to be hold the recent example in the Spuds game says it all.
Just because he felt he wanted to (not needed to)play Pogetez he removed JOB who was keeping Lennon relatively quite and took off Demel who wasn't doing to bad a job (apart from gifting Bale his 1st goal)my point is if he had Spence on the bench we would have at least had a natural player in his rightful position, and Spence can actually play, for me he was one of our better players against Man u in the replay at their place and his reward for his good performance was to never be seen again . This is one of my main gripes with BFS he would rather play people out of position then use the team to the full capabilities...Tompkins at defensive midfield ?? what is BFS on, he must know that Tompkins is a center back and a very good one or are our fans "deluded" at thinking he is a future England international(or he used to be as BFS has killed the boys confidence of late).

Nolan gets injured in center midfield and instead of bringing on Collison who is a Center/left midfielder by trade whos young, an international and has energy he decides to bring on a left back in Matt Taylor for goodness sake !!
Did BFS not see the goal Collison scored against arsenal (another game where BFS should what hes all about) When Taylor missed that 1 on 1 im sure if it where Collison he would have buried that chance. Tell me im wrong ??

One striker up top , it has not been working especially away from home, and the away form tells us its not working why not experiment at least 1 time to see how we might fair with 2 up top , its not like we don't have the personnel, Tell me what team would enjoy playing against Carrol and C.Cole for example the worst this would do is give the opposing defenders more to think about then just 1 lonely striker who doesn't get any service any way or if not C.Cole try Vaz te, Paulista, chamakh etc. The reason why BFS has not once tried this all season is because he would then have to drop Nolan further more even Nolan could play as a second striker and ohhh my days I've just remembered Maiga, this guy had defenses in France running scared last season banging in goals left right and center and he played in a 2 up front formation but hes lucky to even get a seat on our bench (moral killer) . Please someone tell me what is BFS problem.

Put Jarvis on the right and you will see a different player.

The points we have on the board has not been down to BFS but due to the Squad that we have our squad is not that bad its full of experience and decent quality.

What Dicanio would offer is to play the right players and in their right positions and add his footballing philosophy to the team and also trusting his players individually allowing player to express themselves.

All BFS is doing is trying to turn us into the Bolton of old but the problem with this is they had Jay Jay Okocha , Youri Djorkaeff (world cup and euro 2000 winner) and a good Kevin Nolan at this time. We simply don't have these types of players in our locker.

im going to shut up now as i've said enough but can someone PLEASE tell me ......"what is BFS problem" he has shown us all that he is the one who is deluded.

Get Dicanio now while he has time to work with the boys before it is to late and we get relegated.

Nuff said!!

Last words
Dicanio


(posted by Essex Iron)

rick said...

This is a no brainer PDC as soon as poss he loves the club as for the northern monkey he can do 1

Anonymous said...

The man we should have taken was Hughton, an underrated manager by far.

US HF

Neil Coombes said...

I'd agree that it would be best and fairer to have PDC come in as manager next season as he would only be sadddled with an impossible task for this season.
What worries me is,if we avoid relegation this season,will allardyce get an exteneded contract.Will he have deserved it for keeping us in the prem,in my opinion,No.I think he will have been lucky that this season there appears to be 3/4 teams somewhat worse than us,but if they start to get a run together,god help us.
If allardyce does get an extension do we really think things will change,that he will"get it right".I think we will remain a bottom 6 club playing boring shit football and we have to put up with that to stay in the prem,I'll take championship football,thanks very much.
Wether PDC would make us a top 6 team,I don't know,but I do know that I'm sure I would enjoy watching it a lot more.
C'mon Paulo

Neil Coombes said...

To be fair to PDC I would not want him to take over until next season/end of this as he would be taking on a thankless task with the players he has available.
What worries me though is,if BFS keeps us up will he automatically be offered a new contract,would he deserve a new contract for keeping us up?,in my opinion,No.
I feel he has been quite fortunate this season,in as much that there have been 3/4 pretty poor teams looking dead certs for relegation,or at least they were.If 2/3 of those teams hit a bit of a run I can see us staring relegation in the face as I don't think Sam has a plan B or even wants a plan B.I'm sure most of the other prem teams how now sussed Sam out and basically he's bollocked.
But if he does keep us up,do we really want to watch his negative style of football week in week out?I personally just like to see a bit of risk taking once in a while.I don't want to see us losing all the time,but I'd prefer to see us losing 4-3 and really giving it a go,than to be losing 1-0,all the time playing for a 0-0 draw.
Where I sit/stand we are all season ticket holders and we all seem to turn up expecting a negative game,that can't be right.So let's bring PDC in,give him a go,he may not make us a top 6 team,but I bet we have some fun while he's trying.

Anonymous said...

are you PDC?

Anonymous said...

yes,i am that good...night night potty mouth...........this is toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo easy.

Anonymous said...

I'm not being picky mate because you made some decent observations but the bloke's name is Tomkins not Tompkins. He's not some foreign name, he's a Basildon-born local. Get it right it's not that hard

Anonymous said...

Sam Allardyce is no thrills survival. If he could just learn to swallow his pride & be a bit more creative in transfer dealings, substitutions, formations etc he could actually be quite a decent manager. But he won't. I'm at the end of my own tether with the bloke. He started off so well in building the club back up but he's just hit that brick wall. It's a massive call getting rid though. Our team is built near enough specifically for his style of play. Overall. He's considered a safe pair of hands and that's what the owners crave. I just hope there's a shake-up in the summer. Survival first. Point at least at Stoke please COYI

Anonymous said...

i think you may have laid an agg...its getting to easy to get into your head.

Revolver said...

The point about PDC having to re-organise our workhorse squad is a fair one but in all honesty that applies to BFS as well.

There's no way we can continue into next season with the pile of cack we currently have and if BFS stays then he'll just replace workhorse shite with more workhorse shite. Probably players he used to manage at Bolton!

Will BFS get a new contract just for keeping us up? I'm not so sure. Given the number of poor teams below us it's quite conceivable that we could play crap and lose most of our remaining games and yet still stay up. Would G&S seriously consider keeping him on if that happened?

Chunky said...

We need PDC in now, HF. BFS may just keep us up...just, but lets face it, as Iron's we do not support this team because they win trophies often. Most of us support WHU because of the (now extinct) attractive flowing football.

I know you agree with me that Pardew had us playing the best, most exciting football in years so why not PDC? Volitile he may be, but he will have us playing the football we all used to love watching.

Next season under PDC will be exactly like your complaint about the Villa game. Roll over playing BFS football, or potentially fail but do so with pride and flair. I'd take the latter any day.