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Whenever I am told anything by the government, my local council, my employer, my kid's school, the owner of my golf club, my neighbours etc., I do the same thing: I think about what they've said, I think about what they have said in the past, I think about the independent information I have and I make my judgement as to exactly what's happening. Why should I do anything else when it comes to my football team?
And it seems to me that that's what Hammersfan does. He looks at what's going on and comes up with an article that provokes thought and debate. Some are amusing, some tongue in cheek, some are hard hitting and some are just crap! But he does provide a site which comments daily on the club, where anyone can voice their opinion and even contribute a lead article if they wish, so why does he get so much flack? When Newsnow is clogged up with the same information expressed in 24 slightly different ways I find it stimulating to read an article that takes an alternative view.
In my experience it is the things that we cherish most dearly, that we question and challenge the most. I support West Ham the team, not the corporate entity and as far as I am concerned, challenging the motives of whoever is temporarily in charge of our club is a demonstration of love for West Ham, not an indication that he's a spurs fan. I confess to being an old cyber mate of Hammersfan and am amazed at the amount of childish vitriol and even threats of violence that he attracts. Perhaps those who are not impressed should ignore it so that those who do enjoy the articles could comment without having to wade through so many immature offerings.
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hear hear!
I don't always agree with what Hammersfan says but i will fight for his right to say them and then sit back and chuckle at how angry people get!
the freedom to slag this crap off is equal to the freedom to write it in the first place. If you don't like it then stop posting it with the facility to leave comments.
Why dont you just go down on him then!!!
and it's 'Oi' not 'Oy'. Oy is actually yiddish, which is mildly ironic.
Oy, Dickhead, I want a word with your wife.. in my bedroom. Tonight at 7pm. Let her know, she know's where it is.
And by the way, I'm not the "Anonymous" your article is directed at, but a member of your Top 100 Hater's Club. Membership has been spiraling out of control lately, perhaps because you've been blogging more often.
Sincerely,
Your mother
an old cybermate eh? They never let you down.
lolz
oy gevolt!!
Haha priceless
Fanno, whenever these mindless yobs get you down remember that our forefathers died to defend freedom of speech and to save us from being mindless drones (like the ones that hassle the freethinkers on this site). Keep up the good work :-)
"He looks at what's going on and comes up with an article that provokes thought and debate... so why does he get so much flack?"
Because it is linked to News Now. Headlines about clubs come up and naturally attract interest from fans. Football is a polemic subject and supports are filled with passion about their clubs. To be pulled towards a blog that is constantly negative and critical of everything the club does is frankly tedious and at times embarrassing, especially when coupled with immature references to our own team and others.
"I am concerned, challenging the motives of whoever is temporarily in charge of our club is a demonstration of love for West Ham"
I fully agree but claiming we're in for relegation on the 17th July and turning the Brooking stand announcement into another dig just highlight why fans of the club get annoyed. No we shouldn't blindly follow but if steps are being taken to right the club internally given the fact we were candidate for administration a few months ago, I would at least give them the chance before condemning them, yes it's a lot of spin, but who is going to buy us off a bank if we said 'Yeah we're incompetant, financially shambolic and a bit shit'?
"I confess to being an old cyber mate of Hammersfan and am amazed at the amount of childish vitriol and even threats of violence that he attracts."
I can see why you would leap to his defense and that is just a sad fact of the internet and society though don't you think?
"Perhaps those who are not impressed should ignore it so that those who do enjoy the articles could comment without having to wade through so many immature offerings."
In fairness you open the floor to comments, you have to take the rough with the smooth, disable the comments and job done. On the flip side some people might be offended having to wade through what they might see as constant unsupporting, immature articles from said author - can't have it both ways, the man wants to put his view across, some want to refute it.
Again, football is a polemic, passionate subject for many and HF has been brave enough to open his opinion up to comment.
I often read the articles posted by the HammersFan and I understand his frustration at some of the things that are posted on the net relating to our team etc etc. He is only expressing personal opinion and views and don't really deserve to be slagged off. I agree with others that sometimes the way some articles read they do come across as a dis to the club but I don't believe it is the intentions of HammersFan to deliberately upset every reader that reads his articles. Let us all try and participate with constructive comments going forward...
P.S - this is the 1st time I've ever posted on this site however, I do often read articles on this site purely due to being a fellow Hammers supporter!
COYI
Beggars, I accept all the points you make. I don't object to the comments at all. I think some are unnecessarily offensive and the "You can't be a hammer" stuff is frankly pathetic - I would have to be some boffin to know all I know about West Ham without being a fan. Look at the comment from 1321, how sad and pathetic is that? It will buy a cheap reply from me but, honestly, what does the guy think he is doing writing stuff like that? It is no skin off my nose but it does reflect the cancer in our society where abuse takes the place of debate and argument.
Anyway, thanks for your contribution. You can write; fancy submitting an article?
1250, you might be surprised to learn that I agree with you. That's why I allow through the criticism, providing obscenities are not used. (I haven't been able to post half a dozen replies where either the f or c word have been used or where sexual acts have been described graphically.)
1321, the wife says that after last time she is not interested. Too small, too fast and very bad technique apparently. To the bedroom what Di Michele is to finishing!
Beggars
Your response is valid, it's a constructive argument and by no means do I want to strangle debate and opinion. But there are far too many inane comments that are frankly pathetic. Nothing wrong with disagreeing with Hammersfan, I often do myself; the more interesting comments are usually from people who construct a cogent argument and make their point without being abusive.
I started reading this blog before relegation to the 'all sources' league and even though i've given it a few digs (no swearing mind) it'd be a shame if you didn't continue. You have an uncanny ability to give people the needle which can only be applauded. Having a pop at Big John while he's under the knife was beautiful and the way you pissed on the Brooking Stand chips, mesmeric. Hurrying Zola out the door back west was a nice touch, while the defence of John Terry over the mum-cussing fans was surely the cherry. I salute your hammer-baiting skills. Top man. COYS
If you care to look at WestHamFans.org and a thread entitled Irons Germany you may well discover some of the reasons he is so disliked by so many proper West Ham fans.
What Irons Germany, that guy who spouted support for the Final Solution on the Mordant Org despite working as a professional golfer in Germany? Yes, I can understand why decent people would dislike him and why thuggish and racist elements amongst the West Ham fan base would prefer his approach over mine. Friend Tony has gone a little quiet recently, since the implications became clear of spouting public support for Hitler and Nazis. Employers in Germany do not take kindly to that sort of thing. In fact, you can be arrested for it. Best not open that one up again eh? I'm not sure Tony would want you to given the vulnerable position he has put himself in! A poster by the name of Tom Hanks knows quite a bit about Irons and seems to have an axe to grind. I'd rather not be involved myself - I made clear my feelings about celebrating the murder of 6 million Jews at the time Tony posted his obscene comments.
Who is the lowlife slug, hiding behind the 'supernumbersix' moniker eh?? Can't think of anything more original to do with your single celled brain?
Why don't you slither back into your hole and stop trying to drag others into your petty, rubbish squabbles from other sites that most of us have no interest in eh??
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I have a fair idea who it is mate. Take it as a compliment! What's that about emulation? He is a complete arse if it is who I think it is!
anonymous 1704 - top post mate, top post - don't do as I do do as I say. HF's ego sat astride his white charger whilst cutting all & sundry to pieces as he sees fit is the problem. Hotshot C why does he have the right to slag who he like while I don't have the right to reply as I see fit, what's the difference? It's only cyber space so cares so?
2010, you have the right to tear me to bits on here providing you do so without obscenities and without threatening violence. I am not accusing you of either, just confirming the boundaries. The question is, why are you so vitriolic given the right to reply. If I was posting my articles and then declining to post the responses, I could empathise with you, but that's not the case. I don't ban people or refuse to publish dissenting views on here; I leave that to the Mordant Org.
'cancer in our society where abuse takes the place of debate and argument'
who do you think you are, Charles Dickens?
Have you ever considered the fact that your articles are so boringly negative that people actually hate you. I don't call that stupidity or childish, i call that passion and loyalty, something you lack obviously. We are a club with increasing ambition, yet you always always always find something unsupportive to say.
I'm off to read the 'west ham till i die' articles.
Markle, a polite response from an Orgster! Not many of those. I could demolish your argument with arguments of my own. I wont. I will trust to others. Fanno was voted "Best Debater" and "Most Entertaining" contributor when operating under his true name at the Org. That was the opinion of the other members. When Fanno was banned, 2/3rds of the cats whose owners expressed a preference called for him to be allowed to return. El Martillo was banned along with him without doing ANYTHING wrong other than disagreeing with the Klan.
Fanno's name still features regularly. "He who shall not be named" features in Bill's call for head Klansman 'Irons Tony Swing A Club At A Jew's Head Germany' to return. That shows the obsession the Org has with Fanno, not vice versa. The campaign waged against this blog, meanwhile, has been vitriolic and persistent. So what? I post the criticism and let others make up their own minds. This isn't a forum, it is a blog, but I allow everybody to have a voice and right of reply, I ban nobody. Only vile obscenities, racism, pornography and outright threats of violence are not allowed through. For your information, I offered to carry a link to the org.
What harm can Fanno be doing if contributing on the Org without anybody even knowing who he is exactly? Why the need to know he is gone? Why the paranoia exactly?
Oh well I did try but I didn't really expect anything else really. You have only proven to me what....
What's the point?
Mark
Markle, a polite response from an Orgster! Not many of those Two thirds of them loved you. I could demolish your argument with arguments of my own. I wont. and then you proceed to do just that I will trust to othersthe polite two thirds that love you Fanno was voted "Best Debater" and "Most Entertaining" contributor when operating under his true name at the Org.have you considered some were so frightened to be rip apart by you in public that they. That was the opinion of the other members. the polite two thirds that love you of course When Fanno was banned, 2/3rds of the cats whose owners expressed a preference called for him to be allowed to return. check your stats & whether there might be a slight chance you are exaggerating El Martillo was banned along with him without doing ANYTHING wrong other than disagreeing with the Klan.if he is someone other than you, of the I doubt, you are as much to blame as anyone else in getting him banned and that was Nev not the Klan Who are those guys?
Fanno's name still features regularly. "He who shall not be named" features in Bill's call for head Klansman 'Irons Tony Swing A Club At A Jew's Head Germany' to return.it’s a fact you feature yourself regularly. What you chose not to see is you are named but that FACT does not suit your argument so you chose to ignore it as always That shows the obsession the Org has with Fanno, wrong again a web-site cannot be obsessed but an individual like yourself can be and paranoid too not vice versa. The campaign waged against this blog, meanwhile, has been vitriolic and persistent. So what?SNAP I post the criticism and let others make up their own minds.letting people make up their own minds is not part of your make-up This isn't a forum, it is a blog, but I allow everybody to have a voice and right of reply, I ban nobody. Only vile obscenities, racism, pornography and outright threats of violence are not allowed through. For your information, I offered to carry a link to the org.stop feeling sorry for yourself it’s not becoming
What harm can Fanno be doing if contributing on the Org without anybody even knowingbut they do know, that’s the point who he is exactly? Why the need to know he is gone? Why the paranoia exactly?sit down & take a close honest look at yourself as an individual and not an inanimate web site ~~~~~~~ revealing isn’t it
Markle, why would people feel threatened into voting for Fanno? That is a silly argument. Why would people want him back if they were afraid of him? That is a self defeating strategy surely. Who are the Klan? Irons, Bill, del and davefking are at the core - try challenging their opinions over an extended period of time and see what happens! Then there is a group who are genuinely intimidated by this bunch so they fall in line behind them. I don't give a monkey's personally, I never did. I enjoyed the banter and the exchanges like this, but so what? How sad is somebody who gets wound up over exchanges on the internet? Keep in mind, that I could block your contributions here in the same way as Nev has blocked (or sought to block ; )) Fanno. El Martillo is not me and there is no way that I am to blame for his banning. Neville knows that we do not share the same ISP addresses - El Martillo was banned because he took the mickey out of the Klan - his very last post!
This is my last attempt this morning at two-way communication; my shift starts all too soon.
You chose not to look at why people would fall in behind you over an extended period, it’s not a silly argument as you put it; it is very fundamental but hey let’s not let that get in the way of what you would have us believe eh? There were only a very few very very few people who could put up with you in the long term but that hurts (ego dented) and does not benefit your stance so you chose not to see it. From what I can see the people who you call the Klan are very much their own men and had a dis-similar view to yours and would not agree with you out of fear of public ridicule by you, that is the honest problem for you, isn’t it, you could not make yourself top dog so you sought to destroy some of WHF.org’s top posters? No, your denial will only prove me right. Oh by the way I have challenged their opinions, on numerous occasions without it degenerating into the kind of slanging matches you provoke & like so much, how come? “You don’t give a monkeys” not much you don’t who you trying to kid? You “enjoyed the banter” seems like you might be contradicting yourself now. But some people don’t like to go on for ever it’s boring. You get wound up over exchanges on the internet, so what? No, your denial will only prove me right. Neville bans who he likes that’s his prerogative that has nothing to do with any posters including your Klan; asking him to look in is all he needs to do…. “that we do not share the same ISP addresses” that is child’s play to get around, do you think I would be fooled by that one? Took the micky out of the Klan struth you can’t really believe that surely or worse expect me to believe it that’s laughable? Oh and you block away HF I really do not give a monkeys, all that will serve to do is make me right
It was Neville who said he could track ISPs addresses, not me. And he put a block on mine for a while proving he does check. He knows El Martillo is not me and all El Martillo did was write a tongue in cheek send up of key members of the Klan, and myself. Check the history!
You say you can debate with me without it becoming a slanging match. Why do you think that is? Fanno always maintained that he responded in kind. Civility buys civility, an insult buys a suitable response. That's life surely? Do I insult many people on here? Have I insulted you during this discussion?
All very public display, deal with my issues as you would say
What issues? I have dealt with everything as far as I can see.
Ask me to address numbered points and I will do so. Be clear, point by point, on what you want me to address.
Markle, I have contributed under this name for two years now and argued extensively with Fanno over his treatment of Curbishley whilst arguing with the establishment over their treatment of Fanno.
I am in regular contact with one Orgster, however I will not name him out of respect. I would not wish him to be tagged with consorting with the anti-christ as he enjoys the site though I must say I don't know why now that all the free thinkers such as Saltbush Bill, Dutch, Denbigh, Winchester, Basildon etc. have chosen to stop posting. He is well aware that I am not Fanno.
"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing" is how WHTID starts his eulogy to Irons Germany. Well I've just read through the infamous "my mate Adolf" post again and as I remember not too many "good men" did anything when that piece of filth was posted. I appreciate that in the heat of the moment we may all say things that we later regret, but no decent human being could come out with that vile diatribe. The fact that so few criticised the post speaks volumes for the attitudes and opinions of so many of the "good men" on that site.
"I don't know why now that all the free thinkers such as Saltbush Bill, Dutch, Denbigh, Winchester, Basildon etc. have chosen to stop posting" Saltbush Bill said that he did not really follow football and it clearly showed in the quality of his footie posts though he did have a good sense of humour. Dutch so far up his own arse and only turned up when West Ham had a poor result and most of what he said was pure rubbish. Denbigh and Winchester average posters at best. Basildon was always good to get everyone going but sadly never posted much and indeed questions have been raised to his true identity.The site has maybe lost some but these type of sites always do but while the likes of Del, Aycliffe, Pete, Ashes and many more carry on posting then it will carry on well even without the mighty one of many faces.
The point is, there was variety when all those named contributed. They did not all sing from the same hymn sheet and so sparks flew. Now the debate rarely stimulates and if anybody risks disagreeing with the Klan, they couch their comments in extreme sycophancy. It is stomach turning to read sometimes. And to participate...dear God Fanno has had to reach for the sick bucket a few times whilst "playing the game".
What you don't seem to get and never did you sad excuse for a human being is that it is quite obvious that on a West Ham site with West Ham posters people will generally get on. If it was a general forum then obviously more sparks would fly. The only time sparks fly on here is from opposing fans you wind up or some of your old friends. The org continues without you but you can't continue without it and it shows how sad you are with your numerous attempts to return. I pity you and I pity those close to you though I can't believe for one minute that would include many.
LOL If you want a sad excuse for a human being, check out the self pitying drivel written on the "Come back Irons" plea. Dear God, Fanno is turned into Machiavelli, Hitler, Saddam and Satan himself all rolled into one. I've never heard such whines from a grown man! Please sir he stole my ball! The excuse for Tony the German Golf Professional's Nazi rant is sublime - Fanno made him do it and he didn't mean any of it, Fanno had brainwashed him! Dear God, why not say Fanno had hypnotised him and he was "Only following orders" - that's the usual Nazi excuse isn't it?
So a West Ham forum is supposed to be one big love in is it? What's the point then? Ashton? Brilliant bruv. Yeah brilliant bruv. Couldn't agree more bruv, brilliant. Green? England's number one bruv. Agree bruv. Spot on bruv. Yawn!!!!!
As for getting by without Fanno, why does Fanno get so many mentions and who do you think keeps the threads bubbling along? Can you spot the Fanno this week? Nev should run a competition with Ten Klan Points for the Klosest! LOL
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