Tuesday 19 May 2009
Arsenal are London's new Selling Club!
I found it very interesting to read that Arsene Wenger says that Arsenal need to sell a player every year to survive! That's amazing and no wonder he's thinking of heading for Real Madrid and the promise of a huge transfer budget! If it's true and I have no reason to believe that it isn't, it is a staggering fact. Today's Daily Mail reports - “Wenger, who reportedly met Perez (Real Madrid's President elect) on Tuesday, is at loggerheads with the Arsenal board over finances and they continue to clash over Danny Fiszman's claims that there is money available to spend on new players. In contrast, Wenger has consistently maintained that the club 'have to sell a player each summer to survive'.” It is an all too familiar tale that all clubs seem to allow their managers to take the wrap for boardroom decisions not to spend on transfers!
How staggering is it that a top 4 team attracting 60,000 gates every game and Champions League football every season for as long as I can remember, is in such a terrible state! Arsenal have apparently pushed themselves into debt over the building of their new stadium and it seems that Arsene is getting fed up with carrying the can for the Arsenal board's mistakes. I well remember all their chairman's assurances that the new stadium would not affect team building. It was clearly just another load of spin worthy of MP's denying their expenses are illegal!
The Arsenal board will no doubt argue that they are being prudent with over £350m in debts that must cost a massive £30+m every year just to pay off the interest! I always thought Wenger did not like signing senior players, preferring young ones he can bring through to play football his way. He was the originator of the “Project” (bringing kids through) and always looked to Europe and South America leaving West Ham scouts to cover the UK. Maybe Arsenal's lack of spending has much deeper roots and the likes of Henry, Viera, Petite, Ljungberg and all the others Arsenal have let go in recent years, were forced on Wenger as cost cutting exercises?
At West Ham our finances have never been any different to what seems to be coming out about Arsenal, only on a different scale and for different reasons. At least our excuse for not spending is we have a bankrupt board. I find it incredible that the Arsenal board has billionaires from Russia and America yet Wenger has to resort to threatening to leave, to try to get a budget that will enable him to compete with the best next season! Like Arsenal we have a good manager but Zola is just starting out in the management game and he clearly has fallen for Duxbury's “Project”. Duxbury has merely re-invented what Wenger and we have always done at West Ham - bring kids through because we do not have the resources to be a buying club.
Wenger on the other hand, has been there and done it and now realises he can no longer compete without major signings but I don't believe we can at West Ham either. Wenger looks around at his competition and sees big spending Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United joined by Manchester City and he has his “Project” and just £13m to spend this summer, to bring in established stars to supplement the kids that have come through. Is it surprising that Fabregas, Adebayor and others are looking towards clubs that can win trophies? Maybe it is for similar reasons why Green, Neill and Upson also have not signed new contracts yet?
Where does that leave West Ham? We are reportedly in debt for around £50m which is fairly manageable. Our owner is now completely bankrupt. We are about to be taken over by a bank that is currently in moratorium from bankruptcy itself but expects to be reformed into a viable going concern once it owns us! Really? We need at least two international calibre players in midfield/forward positions otherwise we will not be competing for a top 7 spot, in the same way that Arsenal will not compete for a top 2 spot if they do not spend money on established stars.
Even if Ashton, Gabbidon, Dyer, Parker and Behrami all return to full fitness next season we still need creativity in midfield and a mobile striker in the Zola mold. If Tristan and Di Michele are re-signed, then I can see some senior players wondering what they are doing in East London next year because that is not top 7 ambition. If Neill, Green and Upson decide to leave, that would be the equivalent of say Fabregas, Adebayor and Toure leaving Arsenal. Where do either club get as good, let alone better, replacements without spending big? We don't is the short answer. Both clubs need major signings to keep the existing managers, players and fans feeling they are progressing.
At least our management team have signed new contracts showing their commitment to our future but we have to wonder at why Arsene Wenger has chosen to go public about his Real Madrid interest at this stage? For us the answer is simple. We need to spend £20+m we haven't got, on a right full back, new creative midfielder and striker at least. Arsenal probably need to spend as much or more to keep Wenger and their big name players happy at The Emirates for another season. If either club do not invest now, no amount of “Project” (bringing youth through), will save either of us from a very uncertain future. I really hope we solve our problems with new owners but it's nice to know that we are not alone in having an uncertain future.
Billbanksy
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you read too much junk. arsenal need to sell a star player every season to survive? absolute bollocks. we sold hleb for 12m and bought arshavin for around 15m - a net expenditure of 3m. so much for survival via selling a player a year
What about Cole, Henry, Viera and so on? You've been selling a player every year for quite a while mate!
to the aresenal fan. These were not comments by the author of the article, but in fact by your very own arsene wneger. Though as someone who seems to have a limited knowledge on his club, I would not expect you to know this.
Jim
er... we've broken our transfer record twice in 12 months... we also have the biggest payroll in football... damn...
Henry we sold when he reached 30
Vieira we sold when he reached 30
Ashley Cole we effectively traded for William Gallas
Arsene Wenger never said Arsenal need to sell a player each year to survive... the media made that one up... but feel free to 'quote' anyway...
its like the experienced player thing... as if we havent signed Arshavin, Eduardo, Sanga, Rosicky, Hleb and many many others... not including the likes of Pires and Wiltord
Arsenal FC are the richest, most profitable football club on earth (try reading financial news rather than the Sun, gents)... but it does suit us for the world to think we're poor... thanks...
as an aside... West Ham is a terrific club... we definitely owe you for beating sp*rs a few years ago... well you and some dodgy pasta...
and your lot play nice football... respect
Arsenal fan:
Add to your 3M the big interest rate bill and you know why Wenger cant buy as much as he would like.
I think West Ham could really surprise next year if we find those three players the author is talking about. We have enough youngsters comming through to make it interesting. One I really want to see is Terry Dixon who could be a massive signing if he can stay fit.
The truth is... no fucker outside of the club knows the truth! Wenger said (or should I say, was 'quoted' in the MotW!) He has to sell a player every year, which had followed statements catergorically refuting that! Likewise the board have consistently said there's load to spend but Wenger won't spend it!
This, I feel, is the real crux of the matter; Wenger has taken a shit load of stick this season and he is genuinely surprised about this. Even tho, he hasnt won a thing for 4 years (you know, the thing he's actually paid, handsomely to do!) This criticism, coupled with the board feeding the media spin, has resulted in him, acting all hurt and trying to shit the board into giving him more cash, IMO!
BUT, this article has taken a shit load of speculation and ran with it, like its facts!
The club have a large debt, that is more than serviced by the income it generates. However, players are needed, obviously, which is why the Academy has been so well equipped and why we will soon see a lot of home grown players coming thru. Now, won't that piss off a lot of people?? Arsenal with a crop of quality ENGLISH players!
The likes of Vieira and Henry left for different reasons; Vieira coz he was past it and henry coz he'd been flirting with goin and after his 8 years of great service, no one was complaining. As for Cuntley Cole??? How the fuck was he ever goin to stay? No chance..
I find it hilarious that a supposed Hammer's blog is spouting such ill informed shite about Arsenal...
I suppose you need the hits.
Oh and when exactly did Wenger 'go public' on his Real Madrid interest? The guy was asked a question, his reply was; EVERY COACH in the world would be interested...'
But do enlighten us all about your great journalistic knowledge and Arsenal insider information... The fact you have 'gleaned' all this from bullshit articles on Newsnow is beside the point I imagine...
Sheeesh, you couldnt have done a poorer job, if you'd have done it, in the dark, blindfolded....
I don't know why Arsenal fans are slagging off this blogger when our house is in such a mess. He is right to question weather we are a selling club as most real Arsenal supporters who have followed them through thick and thin are sick of being treated as customers not fans in rip off emirates.
well, call arsenal what you like. even on a tome. but if u r west ham thats myopic really. half of chelsea's squad came from wham, maybe you didnt know since you only know of arsenal wmen they had a full 60000 stadium! and wham are a buying club, for anything, ask sheffield united.after 'buying' tevez and mascherano -you ended up paying £25m to sheffield for players that arent even yours. shame on you. where is rationality when it comes to your deals. you allso bought from us the injury prone and aging lujnberg, injury prone keiron dyer from newcastle, madhouses bellamy and lee bowyer. do you have any shame. you are the last things to lecture to arsenal about anything football. get lost.
you club west ham is a sorry club. concetrate on them. how much money have you wested on so called players that turned out to be other more rational clubs' trush? how did you last chairman leave? man, consider the big twig in you eye first. they is so much for u to bark at at Wham. andb4 even considering arsenal, look first at you slightly bigger neighbor the spuds-coz you arent qualified to say anything about a champions league club.
Spencerc
I think you touched a nerve here, And I think most of the people posting have not read the full article and see some people slagging it off and jump on the band wagon, Just read the article slowly and open mindedly this is not slagging Arsenal or West Ham it's a point of view, We all have one
no need to read 10 paras of trush to see that the exclamation on the heading is sensationalism. iam sure spencer you have much more to exclaim about at west ham even over just the past 3 seasons. you got what you diserved here. scum.
Why you fans got to bombard each other? Both clubs live on limited resources and are doing well. English jouralists are famous for stirring shits, even me as an asian know it.
If Arsene really leave Arsenal, and that is it the end of top 4 ERA, forget about CL contender too. Some of those mother fuckers who wan Arsene to leave would regret for the next 20 years without a trophy.
Mr hammer, did you think fisrt or thinking came way after your posting -be honest!
Very mature I'm scum because I made a valid post, You must be very intelligent to call someone names who you know nothing about and at no point did I say I was a West Ham fan, And you need to activate your spell check!
Guys Please....West HAm And Arsenal should not be beefin....both teams are great in there own rights, with good plans for the future....Im a west ham fan and if the Irons never exsisted i would have been a Gooner....please lads lets save the insults for the Spuds....I hope wenger dont leave the gunners as they would not be the same its like Manu without Fergie.....
I 4 1 respect what both clubs are trying to do with limited funds ....wenger i feel he actually prefers the challenge of not spending to big ....i think in time with the current arsenal squad...i think they will be world Beaters, Hope my fellow Irons dont hate on me to much for being honest , but i dont care,.....end of the day the Gunners play good ball, the dont try and buy succsess and they are so close to being a Man utd so close....come on u have to respect that Lads....
But getting back to the article...not sure about the selling once a year thingy but i see where the author of this article is going....hes kinda right....and he definatley aint trying to slag of the Gunnerz .....
What 4?
Oh OK so the Arsenal fans are clearly in the denial stage. Arsenal directors like to put this myth around that Wenger won't spend on senior players when there's loads of cash waiting for him to spend. Yet Wenger gets quoted in several papers as saying he has to sell a player each season to pay the loan interest and is obviously talking to Real Madrid's president elect - Perez - where money would be no object. Yes Spike The Daily Mail said Wenger met Perez on Tuesday last week so just explain why did he do that then? And Spike, when we sold Bellamy our club made up nonsense about how he asked to leave and stormed out of training as well. But just remind me where Hleb, Cole, Henry, Pires and Vieira are now. Oh they aren't finished yet they're all still playing aren't they? Finally, if you read my article properly you will see that a new crop of youngsters is exactly my point. It is what selling clubs do mate.
Billbanksy
Oh OK. So Spike in particular is in denial about his club being a selling club. So just remind me where all those past it players are now then mate. Where's Hleb, Henry, Cole, Vieira, Pires? Face facts your directors have made up a myth that Wenger won't buy established stars. Have Man U or liverpool made those kind of top player sales? Of course not. Read what I said - we are both in the same boat but at different levels. When Fabregas and Adebayor go this summer I bet you'll sign some unknown players to replace them but you may even need a new manager...
Billbanksy
Hleb, Henry, Cole, Vieira, Pires
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Hleb;
3 seasons, amazing close control and technique, wouldnt shoot, 1 of the most frustrating players ever to wear the Red & White. Had his head turned my Inter, fucked off to barca, we got Nasri as a direct replacement... No probs, Nasri is an amazing player, scored as many as Hleb did in 3 years!
Henry;
Gave us 8 years, thats hardly fuckin off now is it? Clueless to include him, fool!
Cole;
Are you fucking shittin me? The cunt met the special needs one in a hotel before we played ManU, the twat burned all his bridges, have you not read about his book? We got money and gallas in exchange. Again, a really poor example, fool.
Vieira;
After flirting with Real for years, he almost signed for them for £25mill, before changing his mind at the last minute. Sold the next season after 8 years again and when his knees finally gave out, hasnt pl,ayed a full season since leaving, jeez, you are really crap at this, maybe you shouldve done some research, fool.
Pires;
Wanted a 2 year deal, only offered 1. Ran his contract down and left on a free. Wenger shouldve offered him that deal, coz he was a genius for us, that WAS a mistake by Wenger...
Wow 1 out of 5 and the reason Pires left wasnt for the reasons you mentioned you clueless twat...
Back to the drawing board for you.
Hleb, Henry, Cole, Vieira, Pires
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Hleb;
3 seasons, amazing close control and technique, wouldnt shoot, 1 of the most frustrating players ever to wear the Red & White. Had his head turned my Inter, cleared off to barca, we got Nasri as a direct replacement... No probs, Nasri is an amazing player, scored as many as Hleb did in 3 years!
Henry;
Gave us 8 years, thats hardly clearing off now is it? Clueless to include him, fool!
Cole;
Are you taking the mick? The git met the special needs one in a hotel before we played ManU, the twat burned all his bridges, have you not read about his book? We got money and gallas in exchange. Again, a really poor example, fool.
Vieira;
After flirting with Real for years, he almost signed for them for £25mill, before changing his mind at the last minute. Sold the next season after 8 years again and when his knees finally gave out, hasnt played a full season since leaving, jeez, you are really crap at this, maybe you should've done some research, fool.
Pires;
Wanted a 2 year deal, only offered 1. Ran his contract down and left on a free. Wenger should've offered him that deal, coz he was a genius for us, that WAS a mistake by Wenger...
Wow 1 out of 5 and the reason Pires left wasnt for the reasons you mentioned you clueless twat...
Back to the drawing board for you.
(Eited to remove F and C words. Please avoid foul language, kids look inon this site)
lol at londons bottom side trying to have a pop at others!
this wham doesnt seem to know that frank lampard, joe cole, glen johnson all came from westham.so he can call arsenal a selling club.maybe he doesn't know this means he is a bonafide hypocrite.
Not sure why you're getting upset 22:28? It was your manager's words.
Billbanksy
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