I would take a year or two in the Championship personally but then I have principles and know what our club really stands for. There are those who still yearn for the return of Turds; and Allardyce is Turds with knobs on!
Oh the irony! Ex Hammer Pardew is at Newcastle and Allardyce may be in the frame to replace Grant! When Turds was sacked, the Org's Neville Nixon warned me, "Be careful what you wish for!"; well to all those calling for the dismissal of Grant, I say listen to Nev, and just look who is on the horizon, blocking out the sun of a new dawn!
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Where's this new dawn? We are all but relegated with a pathetic team, abysmal league record, no match winners and fractured management team. Where is this new dawn you use so freely in your analogy?
This is football fan procrastination.
No one cares who we have at the club as long as we start winning games.
New owners, new stadium, new day tomorrow...
...and a new HF!
Why?
1948 talks utter bollocks. I would go so far as to say that the majority of West Ham fans would care immensely were that Northern pieman to take over. The Allardyce way - never.
Would rather have the club relegated right now than have that anti-football merchant in charge of West Ham.
Headmaster, since when has what the fans wanted been the way forward?
Many backed Zola until the very end and he was easily the worst manager that we have ever had.
I'm not a fan of Allardyce, but he DOES know how to organise a football team and make them difficult to beat.
Not my style of play, but I would 100% prefer that to life in the Championship.
Can you guarantee us that with a manager that believes in free-flowing footy we would jump straight back from the Championship?
No, and the danger is that we stay there for a very very long time.
As much as I don't want mid-table mediocrity, I want Championship mediocrity even less.
Where's the Allardyce petition, I want to sign...
Apache mate, I'm appalled! Weren't you a stick by the manager man? Grant has only had four and a bit months!
We simply have to stick it out with Avram. A new face has all the excuses ready made for him, and Big Sam really is a professional excuse maker.
Avram has a lot to prove and a few weeks to make a few decent purchases (plus off-load a few prima-donnas to-boot) - his ability to hold down a decent job any time in the future is largely based on the next 5 months or so - what motivation.
Many teams exist with a great many average players - we need team spirit so let's keep the faith, dispose of the bad apples and focus on 28 (or so) more points with a couple of clever new signings.
COYI's
Apache - I never said the fans get what they want, I was answering 1948's assertion that 'no one cares who we have at the club as long as we start winning games' - that was the utter bollocks bit.
You may well prefer Allardyce to the Championship (unrealisitic comparison in any event in my view since we simply do not have the personnel to bully our way Nolan and Davies style through EPL defences) but a quick look around the forums should tell you that you are in the minority. And that, my friend, was the only point I was making.
HF, I truly enjoy this blog and check in more than once per day. But I cannot understand how relegation would be preferred to an Allardyce run team that stays up. I still believe we are going down because the players we have aren't good enough, and a new manager won't make a difference. But I'm desperate to try!
I've only followed West Ham since 1994, so my history is limited in comparison to many of you. But I remember going down with 42 points. I remember leaving a family function to find a bar in Philadelphia to watch us lose to CP.
I would stay up at any and all costs.
My story and I'm sticking to it.
That's fair enough Dave and understandable. But for the purists, Allardyce is Anathema. Think of the anti Allardyce and Curbishley wing of the fan base as the Claret & Blue Tea Party if you will!
The thing is HF, we can't afford to wait for the right time to judge Grant. Why do you think they sacked Allardyce yesterday? Because this is the only right time to bring someone that can use the January window to rebuild the team. It maybe a little unfair for AG but in this business the Club takes priority over being fair to managers. I am not willing to see my club go down just in case I am wrong with my assessment of Grant. We need a change now, not tomorrow and not next year. It is our only chance.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/12122010/58/west-ham-eyeing-hughton-grant-fails.html
hahahaha fr you spammers it gets worse.
West Ham 'eyeing Hughton if Grant fails'
?!? You've lost me buddy
Septic tanks?! nearly as bad as Sussex Hammers - means not a lot, dyed in the wool locals like you and me HF, we know what we're talking about.
kevin in Manchester writes..
Sam Alladyce to west ham would be an act of supreme desparation ..for Sam!
WE should be so lucky. reading all the posts on all the sites, the one thing that comes through is the impotent rage about how pathetic the team spirit has been; how the players are going through the motions to pick up their pay checks added to absurb team selection and tactics. We'd get none of that from Sam I don't care what you say winning bad beats losing good but in reality it is rarely a choice between the two.. .. I'm sorry but it is sheer snobbery that damns sam ; he's a chap who cuts his cloth and has proved over the years on a budget of sod all that he had prem quality. If he came to west ham and I don't believe he would - he'd take on board our history - I believe newcastle would not have been relegated had he stayed.. we simply cannot afford to harp on about the west ham way that has won rock all over the last 30 years and is a bit of myth anyway..( last seen in the latter years of Redknapp, possibly Pardew's first prem season)) the way we have played and perfromed on and off the pitch in the last four years is the worst I can remember- I honestly can't see how Sam could be worse than Zola and Grant
I seem to remember Bolton out footballing us on many an occassion and some of you are right, I'd hate to see such cloggers of the ilk of JJ Okocha, Stelios, Djorkaeff, Dunne, Pederson ever ply their trade for West Ham.
Long live tippy, tappy football played by footballers that have no backbone.
I WANT TO SEE US LOSE IN STYLE
Irrelevant really. Big Spam wouldn't touch us with a barge pole because with G&S controlling the signings, his opportunities to take a bung would be very limited. (unless of course he now prefers rubber bungs with pony tails attached, which im sure G&S could provide quite easily)
Fanno, yep, I am a stand by our manager kind of guy...
However, sometimes, it just doesn't work and I'm afraid that Grant as manager is just not working.
At first I was pleased that despite being bottom we weren't panicking (playing style or Grant.)
However, 1/3 of the way through the season, rock bottom and no fight from the players? No anger/frustration from Grant?
I said when he was appointed that he was a mediocre manager with a mediocre mentality and at first, I was pleasantly surprised how much better football was under him than Zola.
But, we're going nowhere... fast!
Headmaster, I know I'm in the minority, but I believe that I am being practical. The majority of fans have (as I usually do) delusions of grandeur and think that we deserve to be a top 8 Premiership club and should have a manager (and a budget) to able us to be pushing for the next level.
As I said, if we go down, we're doomed. We could do a Leeds or a Southampton or a Norwich or a Coventry and ne'er be seen again.
Or we could do a West Brom or even a 'West Ham' and become a yo-yo club.
I don't want to be stressed about West Ham anymore. They've been stressing me out for the majority of my 38 years and I've had enough.
Maybe all the other stresses in my life are leading me to take this view, but right now, I don't want to be in the Championship, I don't want to be a yo-yo club, I don't want our reputation for pretty football at the expense of points, I don't want to be everyone's second favourite team, hell, right now, I couldn't care if The Boleyn was a fortress or a sand castle.
I want to stay in the Premiership and I want mid-table mediocrity as a MINIMUM not an ideal to aspire to which is Grant's philosophy.
I have long been an advocate of Pardew. Remember when we came up? He didn't say "we need to consolidate and finish 17th". He wanted top ten.
Why have we accepted Grant's mediocrity? What long term plan to build a club?
You shoot for the stars and you might hit the moon.
You aim for 17th and what if you're one out?
Now about that petition...
Given our current financial status and debt level, PL survival must always be the priority - no matter what style of football we play to ensure it.
How naive must you be to prefer relegation to having Allardyce as a manager? I really don't want him or his style of football either but relegation in our current financial situation could well prove to be end of our club.
PL teams have been sailing close to wind in financial terms for years now and it seems more and more inevitable that sooner or later one will collapse and go under. It could well be WH amongst a host of other contenders.
So given the choice of crappy football for a few seasons but guaranteeing the future of the club then I know what I'd choose.
In an ideal world we'll play our way out of trouble with good football but the truth is that our real competitors in the PL (Stoke etc.) choose to slug out results. We need to meet the challenge!
LOL Apache, you organise it, I'll publish it and publicise on here, even though I wouldn't personally support it. I still think we HAVE to stick with Grant.
I think it shows how bad Grant is considered for many fans to settle for Allardyce.
My view is that if it was a choice between Allardyce and Grant then it's an easy one (Allardyce). Fortunately, this is not the case.
Plus, if we do ever get a manager in the Allardyce mould in our future, I'm sure we as fans would have enough say to pressure the guy into changing his style. Maybe Allardyce's argument would be that at clubs he has been at, the style of football they played was the only real option which is why he stuck with it.
What cobblers! Turds didn't change his style did he?
It's just a suggestion HF. Plus, Curbishley wasn't here long enough and many of our fans were too blinded by the 'he's one of our own' mentality to make a fuss about playing style.
...and I cant believe you're still showing off about the cup semi. It was insignificant a few weeks ago and it is even more insignificant now.
Even if we win the cup and get relegated, what good is that?
And if we get knocked out in the semi, then what?
Reality HF, reality!
What good is that? I remember 1980! Winning the Cup in the second division more than compensated for going down! We have only won 3 trophies in our entire history Stani! Zola surrendered our place in the League Cup at Watford and Bolton, Grant has negotiated a route past Sunderland, Stoke and Man Utd!
Zola surrendered our place in the league cup AND KEPT US UP!!!!!
In our current situation, success for me doesn't mean trophies HF. And that, my friend, is what you need to understand. It's not complex, but your blind support for Grant has cast darkness over your logic forming capabilities.
My logic is entirely sound. Zola did not keep us up. Burnley, Hull and Portsmouth kept us up. We stayed up by default as this season is proving. I repeat, I am not defending Grant, I just recognise that he inherited a mess and acknowledge the continuity from last season to this. Blaming Grant is like blaming the Tories for the current deficit. They inherited a mess too! Mind you, they are managing that mess appallingly - far worse than Grant is managing West Ham.
Going in circles again.
"Burnley, Hull and Portsmouth kept us up"...don't be a simpleton HF. There are far too many variables involved. And even if it were true, we hired Pompey's manager! The team that went down! The guy who had a better squad of players than us (as I showed on a previous thread)
Why didn't Grant fix it then HF?
He had time, he brought in players but we're doing worse? You say every other team got better and the league is now stronger but why not us?
Hf you dont know much about west ham if you think we have only won 3 trophys in our history. you sure you ain't a spud.
Spot on mate, I forgot our Cup Winners Cup victory. Thinking about domestic trophies. I'm not counting the Inter Toto Cup!
We keep going in circles Stani because you keep turning the conversation in circles. You want it all ways at the same time!
You can't blame Grant for Portsmouth's relegation. They were in dire trouble when he took over and had no funds to buy anybody. Where-as Zola was able to strengthen last January, Grant lost players.
Grant inherited a mess at West Ham from Zola. I think he will sort it out if allowed time.
Fanno I worry for you - you seem dazed and confused and your direction is shot to pieces - I have no idea what your stance is these days and I'm sure you don't either.
Do you not? Strightforward. You can't judge a man 6 months into a job when he inherited a mess. After 6 months, I was refusing to judge Zola. In 18 months, fair enough!
As for Allardyce, I don't want him for the same reason I didn't want Turds. West Ham are neither Charlton nor Blackburn.
Follow?
Why don't you have a poll? I can think of worse than Allardyce. WHTID have polls.
Hear Hear
I hate you, you son of Satan
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