Would you Adam and Eve it? Tell me, what else, exactly, can go wrong for us? It now appears that should Pompey be wound up, we will lose the 4 points we have taken from them and will sink to the bottom of a revised 19 team Premiership!
Anybody thinking this could not happen should take note of Gold's comments, arguing that the Premier League have a duty not to let Pompey fold. At first, his arguing the case for a relegation rival seemed counter intuitive, I only understood Gold's intervention when the implications to West Ham became clear.
You can bet your life that Warnock is smiling as he slurps his Horlicks tonight!
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one relegation spot less and I'm fairly sure (but can't be bothered to check) that some of the teams around us will lose points too
would we not have a game in hand also though?
Points in the bag guys. We are worst hit and would go bottom.
You been away Deane?
I had already checked the points tallies of teams around us when news of the Portsmouth debacle broke earlier this week.
West Ham have played Pompey twice with a win and a draw - a massive four points.
Most of the other teams have played Pompey only once with the majority having lost those fixtures.
So, it's four points off for us and practically no one else!
Riddle me this though;
Like I said, we played Pompey twice and are set to lose 4 points and other teams one time only.
How therefore do you make the other teams play an extra game with them 'and' decide what points tally they should lose. Would it be the draw at one point or the win at three?? Would it be home or away?
You can't just leave it as it is because you cannot predict the outcome of any of those supposed matches. Pools panel laughable.
Or, do they chose another team for West Ham to play instead and how would that work - perhaps Man U at Old Trafford! (it wouldn't).
As per usual though, I fully expect, if there is some sort of sanction to be meted out, then us Whammers will undoubtedly get the worst end of the stick no matter what the club or its solicitors have to say on the matter.
It seems a harsh fact of life if you are a Whammers fan within the machinations PL or F.A that we have to put up with. It doesn't mean I have to like it though. F.S!
Bolton would be bottom with a point less than us, check your figures boys!
Plus, only two teams would go down.
I think that the way they are to do this is to assume that 19 rather than the current 20 clubs are competing the Premier League. This means that those who have played Portsmouth twice will be deducted all the points they won (i.e. West Ham will be deducted 4 points) but also that two games played will also be deducted. So instead of ending the season with 38 games played now the new total games played will be 36. Other teams that haven't played with Portsmouth a second time will be deducted any points gained from that match but will also end up with one less game to play because they will deduct the second match with Portsmouth from those they still have to play. West Ham will therefore have an extra game in hand compared to those who have only played Portsmouth once.
Had a quick go but may be wrong. Of the teams that have played and got something against Pompy, and are around us in the table, they will lose the following points at this point in the season:
Hull 1
Stoke 3
Blackburn 3
Sunderland 2
West Ham 4
Without taking into account goal difference, the table will then look like:
......................points
11 blackburn.....28
12 stoke.........27
13 sunderland....24
14 wolves........24
15 wigan.........24
16 hull..........23
17 burnley.......23
18 bolton........22
19 westham.......20
This is at present. We obviously have games to go and the chance to move up. Bottom two get relegated. The table shows that it's not a foregone conclusion even if Pompy go out of business. It's still close.
I cant see it happening like this at all. Points, goal diff, number of teams, affecting top and bottom clubs etc etc. Way too complicated for the Premiership's calculator boys to handle. I can see Pompey going into administration, deducted their points and just finishing bottom. Further probs down the road for them of course but I dont think the other prem teams will be dragged into a reduced league at this point in the season.
Yeah I heard about this a few days ago and it sounds like bollocks to me. Tabloids sensationalising, it might be a possibility but I dont think thats how they'll work it if Pompey go under. Seems like a ridiculous way to handle things. Mind you this is the FA...
I think if you check olton would be bottom ....... they played Portsmouth on 12th September and won 3-2 so they would lose these 3 points, thus putting them on 19 points (we would have 20, and have at least a game in hand over those around us)
I think if you check Bolton would be bottom ....... they played Portsmouth on 12th September and won 3-2 so they would lose these 3 points, thus putting them on 19 points (we would have 20, and have at least a game in hand over those around us)
Easy option asfar as FA/PL concerned. Get a doodery old ex-judge to front a "civil" tribunual. Find its all West Hm's fault cos we played Quasie in a match forthe reserves. Fine Hammers £25million. Give the money to Pompey so they continue and increase as a once only the placeprize by £25million for wherever we land andtake that money off Manure,Scousers and Chelski forbeing really insolvent. Then ....sorry my brain hurts!!!
Are you lot for real? Its just not going to happen people. Use your common sense for gods sake. Its not just us that it affects, although going by some of you, you wouldn't think there was anyone else in the Premiership. It affects those at the top too because Pompey took points off one or two of them too - so can you imagine a ludicrous scenario whereby the Prem League allow a team to fold during the season and having to unwind the league points earned and lost? The potential millions at stake in the CL and relegation? And to a lesser extent, the Europa? No; nor can I. If ANYTHING happens to Pompey it will be at the rend of the season and not before. So lets all stop discussing something utterly hatstand and go back to sleep. Cant believe the brains of some people sometimes...Jesus H...
1029, you seem to think that the Premier League are all powerful. There is a little body known as Her Majesty's Customs and Excise involved here. If Pompey are wound up and are found insolvent, there is nothing the PL will be able to do about it. Of course the PL won't want it to happen but they may not have the final say. This has happened before. Aldershot went out of business half way through a league season and their results were discounted.
What about fans who have paid to watch what was, in effect, a "friendly" though? Wouldn't they be entitled to a refund?
This is 10:29.
I completely understand what you are saying and this was discussed at lengtht the other day on several site and radio stations. There is nothing stopping the Premier league themselves supporting Portsmouth the CLUB until the end of the season. This is effectively segregated from Portsmouth the BUSINESS. With whats at stake for nearly EVERY club in the Prem, the idea of a club folding during the season is really a non-starter. It really will not happen. Can you honestly say otherwise? Honestly?
Nobody seems to have much faith in the team. If Pompey go, and I hope they don't, it will mean only two other teams are rellagated, surely even if we do lose the Pompey points we can manage at least a third position from bottom
The players have to be paid 1029 and so do the other bills. Maybe the PL will find a way of doing this, maybe they wont. Gold is sufficiently concerned to make a statement. Why would he bother if it was never going to happen?
John, the point is, we would suffer more than anybody else at the bottom. I'm not saying it will result in our relegation, I am saying it will make the climb to safety steeper. Pompey will go down anyway so there are already only two relegation places to be resolved.
dear o dear
As I understand things, there are three choices. One is that Portsmouth accept administration and therefore, take the points deduction as I do believe that they have conceded that they will go down this season, but if it turns out that they would've gone down anyway without the points deduction, they they would incur a further points deduction from the Football League, but surely administration is better than liquidation as that would give them some sort of protection from the Taxman as that would put them in a position to renegotiate with HMRC. The second choice is if the Premier League give them their parachute money now which is something that Portsmouth have enquired about so that they can pay the Taxman off. So I personally believe that one of these two things will happen, especially the latter because it would be in the Premier League's best interests to cough up the parachute money earlier because if points are to be deducted from all the sides that have gained pints off them, then I think that you will find that Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea, Villa, S***s and Man City will have plenty to say about that as they have all beaten Portsmouth, especially Arsenal and Man Utd because they have played them twice and gained all six points from them by giving them a good thumping both times as the goal difference would also be affected, whereas Liverpool have only played them once and lost, so I think that Last thing that the Premier League will want is to have the likes of Chelsae, Man Utd and Arsenal on their backs with the ever threat of those clubs breaking away to form a European Super League as I think that such a debacle could cause something like this to happen. And the third option is if all the other Premier League chip in a few hundred grand each to pay off Portsmouth's tax bill. So in short it is in everybody in the Premier League's interests in one way or another that Portsmouth don't go out off business this season, so something will get sorted out and nobody else but Portsmouth will get points deducted this season as all of this talk is just the tabloids stirring thing up with worst case scenario stories.
In EVERYBODY's interest? If rules are changed to accommodate Pompey, litigation may well follow from Liverpool or others. Imagine if we stayed up based on results gainst Pompey, whilst another club went down. I could see a court action following for recovery of losses aginst the PL. This is the nightmare scenario and Pompey may test the conviction of the PL by declining to go into administration if they believe a rescue package will be sorted out!
10:29 YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT Right up your street this one another HF doom and gloom scare mongering story that you have latched onto and predict fcuk all because it ain't going to happen, it’s just that this is the genre of your depressive nature when it comes to anything West Ham. The worse that will happen to Portsmouth Football Club THIS season is that they will go into administration and be “managed’ until it is completed. They are already insolvent but managing to play and pay their way (just granted) currently and the club have until Wednesday to finalize their dealings with the Barclay's Premier League, who are sorting them out a ‘bail out package’ so that they can present themselves in the High Court again, but this time with a business plan and various ideas for raising the money in the short term to keep them as a viable business, because that is the sensible thing to do for everyone concerned. There is also talk of another potential buyer from Saudi Arabia with more money than he knows what to do with taking them over. Administration is the least worst option and anyone with half a brain cell can see that, liquidation would be a disaster for football and the creditors of the club. It serves no one’s purpose for HMRC to force them into liquidation, everybody loses, don’t you think they know that you fool? This is a story which has been seized upon by the gutter press (and then you, no prediction there then) because it is sensationalist and sells papers. The idiots that are so effortlessly hoodwinked by you on here follow you down that dark place tunnel of gloom by the rings in their brown noses where everything is black and foreboding. They haven’t got an original thought in their simply lead brains, simple being the operative word. IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN doom and gloom merchant and followers, one word for you all, Prozac!!! Football as a whole has been humbled by the plight of Pompey and what went on in the courts last week, ‘football’ will not see any further self-effacing by Pompey’s dilemma ‘they’ see that saving a Premier league club as a strike for all the twenty clubs that make up the top flight, the best league in the world. It is a short space of time before Pompey fall into the Championship anyway. I PREDICT that they will go into administration be deducted the nine points sealing their fate, they'll continue until the end of the season and then who knows? Probably they will slip silently down the leagues a la Luton but who cares once they have left the top flight. Another prediction of mine for all the tggc Prozac brigade (much to your utter disappointment I’m sure) West Ham will survive this term, hurts doan it saddo’s?
1326, send an email to David Gold and tell him he has nothing to worry about so there's no need for him to make the case for the PL to step in. My article was provoked by his comments, not the other way around.
And it was an excuse to run that wonderful picture!
quite the opposite, if they are wound up they forfeit those fixtures and we get 6 points rather than 4.
Nonsense.
Don't forget the goals that players will have to chalk off their tally, the money the players will have to return for their goal/clean sheet bonus'. Do not understand why they cannot deduct points from Portsmouth and let them finish the season. Instead they want to punish other teams for mismanagement. Typical
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