It appears that the old codger David Sullivan is losing his marbles and hearing. News is emerging that Sullivan has banned the vuvuzela from Upton Park, but it may all be a terrible mistake it seems. Vuvuzela? Sullivan probably caught the last syllable and thought they were talking about Zola. "View for Zola? I don't want the little eye tie bastard within three miles of the ground!"
When it was explained to Sullivan that the vuvuzela was in fact an instrument that made an ugly, incessant, droning, offensive noise, his attitude immediately changed, expressing the view, as he gave the thumbs up to the instrument, "That sounds very much like me!"
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More racist dross from you I see!
As an Italian I find your article extremely offensive!!!!!!
Eye tie?????
Disgusting!
Sorry but I'm reporting this blog to the police! We have to put up with enough racism with having to endure it on here
"Sorry but I'm reporting this blog to the police! We have to put up with enough racism with having to endure it on here"
Lol what a wimp!
It's called having a sense of humour...
Call me what you will but I will not tolerate racism.
what is it with people and the word racism. that has got to be the most boring word ever. you cant even fart anymore without being called a racist.
Jake, the "racist" posts are made by idiots!
It's not racist but it is offensive on several counts. Worse still, it's utterly infantile. Please get some therapy.
And Jake, things are not automatically OK just because they are wrapped up in a 'joke' (and a pretty thin one at that - if HF earnt his living as a comedy writer he'd starve to death). How about trying to to show some sensitivity to a fellow human being? Or are you too much of a real man for that?
Offensive, disgraceful and not in the slightest bit funny! one day this blog is going to get hf in serious trouble and I really can't wait for that day.
Because believe it of not people get sued for this kind of thing on blogs - perhaps someone should forward his remarks to DS?
What a load of self righteous politically correct narrow minded crap. Ever heard that joke about the Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman? Reporting it to the police! I am sure that must have HF shivering in his socks. What should have been condemned was the unnecessary insult to David Sullivan
I don't usually make posts in such discussions but I think I should say something.
HF, it's not funny and could be offensive to messers Zola and Sullivan. As for the rest of you guys commenting here about racism and stuff, there is absolutely nothing racist about this post. HF did not say this about Zola because he is Italian but because in his opinion (and mine I may add) he has proved himself to be a bad manager. I don't see why an Italian or any other race should be offended by it. But I agree, its not really funny. Let's just drop the discussion about Zola please and move on to better things, such as the new season coming up and whether we are ready for it. Where is the right full back we so badly need?
listen to me you lot! I am italian and I object to the term "eye tie" - to us it as bad as the "N" word to black people!
This most definitely is not a wind up and I am preparing my screenshots for thr police today.
You have gone too far this time.
My Dad's Italian and I don't find this racist or offensive.
It's also not the slightest bit funny or clever either though.
Tumbleweed.
Excuse my ignorance but I didn't realise that there may be racist connotations from the term "eye tie". Perhaps HF should be a little more careful next time and hopefully a little funier. Totally agree with 11.58 when he says "it's not the slightest bit funny or clever".
For the uninitiated " Itis " was first used in the second world war as slang for Italians in the same way as " gerry " was for Germans and " Limey " was for the British. Can't see anything offensive in that sort of referal whatsoever but then I operate on steady common sense.
Agree with Sav we should be onto more interesting subjects such as "what do we think of the Davids efforts so far" are they really going to get Remy as well as the Argentinian if so is Cole going to go or someone else, or is the sale of Gold's airline going meet the expense?
words are only offensive when used in an offensive manner people say "what's up my nigger" as a form of greeting everyday nothing offensive there but the word can cause offence when used derogatorily nicknames such as limey, yank and japie are not offensive the sentence they're put in may cause offence but I don't recall any of those being sold into slavery in the last 200 years so really grow up
"What should have been condemned was the unnecessary insult to David Sullivan"
You mean condemned or commended John? :)
I think we should talk about how we're about to go in to this season with the same defenders as last season.
Stani why not forget last season and concentrate and try and enjoy the new one. there is still time for defenders to come in and I am sure they will
John,
We can't forget last season or we won't know where to make improvements. Even you have to admit the attention paid to strengthening our back 5 has not been enough.
Of course there is time to do something, but not much time. Now that Ben Haim has failed his medical, I hope they don't take a punt with him as we have plenty of injured/injury prone players already.
Trust me, I will enjoy the new season, nothing brings me more joy then seeing us play well. BUT, I will not do so blindly.
It does seem as though Sullivan is making purchases, or has been, of his own choice. Certainly his interview with ESPN (http://tinyurl.com/37s3noa) gave that impression, as has this continued effort in bringing in attacking players. I hope either Sullivan has good advisers or Grant now begins to have a say.
Yeah, funny, 14.40. I bet you spent ages thinking that one up.
Deane - some words are offensive regardless of context. Just because one person doesn't find a word offensive it doesn't exclude the possibility that someone else will and their feelings should be respected. 'Eyetie' is a derogatory abbreviation, related to words like 'dago' or 'spic' and to argue any differently is a pointless denial of fact.
And John, what's narrow minded is your refusal to accept that someone else can have a different view on this than you. The 'common sense' argument is what exactly? Can you define that for me?
I can't believe a throw away post has created so much debate. How is Allo Allo shown on TV? How are Tarrantino films allowed through the PC censors? I do not call Italians "Eye Ties", I "imagine" Sullivan using the term in relation to Zola. There is a very clear distinction here, although I expect it to go over the head of many! Never perform Othello because of what Iago says about bloack people! Don't perform The Merchant of Venice because Shylock is called "The dog Jew".
Fair play to those who say the joke is lame. I was short on time and it was the best I could do. The joke is, of course, at Sullivan's expense, not Zola's. Libelous? To be Libelous, something has to be believable and this is obviously lampooning Sullivan, not describing him.
Annonymous 1505 Common sense is not getting neurotic about a blog which was n't intended and has n't harmed anyone.
I was a kid during the second world war and nearby where I lived a lot of prisoners of war were held mainly Italian and we referred to them as Iti's purely for short nothing derogatory at all in it and thats where the term came from. Would you consider a Welsh man should be offended if referred to as 'Taffy' or a Scot as 'Jock' I don't think so.
Cheers John, but some Scots and Welshmen are offended by those terms apparently. I can't complain too much because I have taken a very strong stand against racism but, as I've always said, it is down to context. If a word is used in a hateful way, then it is racist.
Stani I think the Ben Haim injury report was made in error by the newspaper and in actual fact he passed the medical easily, the problem appears to still be cash, but I would imagine it is Grant that has asked for him, what do you think?
I agree we are weak at the back four and need at least a couple of decent players. However, last year the major problem seemed to be scoring goals,and whether you like the D's or not they do appear to be trying very hard to do something about it whether they succeed remains to be seen.
I stand corrected you do have to compare new with old to gauge progression or the lack of it.
I wasn't going to get involved with this...I'd thought better of it!...
...but John 1656, your 'contribution' swayed me!!
To suggest that it's perfectly acceptable to use the term Eyetie or 'Iti' as you put it 'in short'...by that I'm assuming you mean abbreviation which isn't derogatory in your view...and then to assert that it's perfectly fine and dandy to call a Welshman or Scotsman 'Taffy' or 'Jock' respectively simply plumbs new depths of ignorance!! Unbelievable man!!
Not really Shaun. It was news to me that Jock was insulting. I had a Scots friend at work in the 80s who was called Jocky by everybody, although his real name was Graeme. What about Jocky Wilson the darts player? This PC stuff really has gone too far. I am opposed to racism, but I am also opposed to over sensitivity. The terms Taff and Jock were freely used on TV through the 60s, 70s and 80s without any offence being taken. People have crawled too far up their own arses - everybody has to jump on the "Mr Offended from Somewhere" bandwagon. Get a life! Context is all!
HF to use TV as a legitimisation of whether a term is offensive or not is absurd. On that basis do you go around saying 'nignog' all the time? Of course not. Yes of course context is important but it's not always possible to understand the intended context when it's written down and effectively out of context. If someone tells you that they find a term offensive, whatever it might be, then you have to listen to them. You can't say 'no it's not', but you can say 'I didn't intend it to be.' It's not about being PC or over-sensitive, it's about respect to fellow human beings and being prepared to accept that you are not always going to understand another person's perspective because you are not them. And if they take the trouble to point it out to you, then rather than telling them they are wrong - how can they be wrong about the way they feel? Only they can know this - surely the right thing is to acknowledge that. Isn't that common sense, John?
And HF, I'm not accusing you of holding such views, of course I understand the nature of the 'joke', but this debate was provoked by it and you have to assume that responsibility. TBH, your examples of acceptable use suggest to me that (a) you have never been a victim of prejudice and (b) you don't really understand the nuances of racism and related behaviours designed, consciously or otherwise, to diminish or denigrate. Simply saying 'get a life' is pathetic and, having followed this blog for some time, I would say is beneath you. I hardly ever agree with you but you are not a stupid man. You can do better than this.
"All I said was that bit of Halibut was good enough for Jehovah!"
....and I suppose you were a BIG fan of 'Love Thy Neighbour' too eh HF? Nothing wrong with a few belly laughs what, what?!
The point is...the reason THAT production was 'tolerated', along with others like it, was through the sheer ignorance of the period...and that's the SAME ignorance that prevails today...."it's ok, it's only a joke!" Yeah, right.
I have a wicked and diverse sense of humour but please don't tell me to 'Get a life' either...because that pisses me off almost as much as it would if someone called me 'Taffy' in my own country?!
Well said Anon 18.02!
HF, I think Anon 14.40 merits removal, don't you!?
I agree Shaun but then the put down that follows will not make sense. I will remove. The "Get a life" is not aimed at you Shaun personally but at the whole "industry of offence" that we have now cultivated in our desperation not to upset anybody. No I am not a fan of "Love Thy Neighbour" now, but yes I was as a kid in a different age. The joke, of course, was on the racist, not on the black family. A more "telling" example would perhaps be "Mind Your Language" which really did play to racial stereotypes in a very lazy way. Of course, there was "Til Death Us Do Part", an episode of which was recently shown on TV. It was in black and white and very grainy, but for all that, my son (aged 17) found it hilarious and wants the box set! Great humour endures. And, of course, the humour was at Alf's expense. We were laughing at his prejudices, his bigotry, not condoning them or agreeing with them. That's why Warren Mitchell, himself Jewish, was happy to play the part.
1802, I disagree with you. Go down that road and we end up where individuals dictate to society. If an Italian is genuinely upset by this post, then he can express upset and choose never to return to the site. That is choice. There is a difference between saying that people must never say anything that MAY cause offence and saying it is unacceptable for somebody to peddle race hate. The person who labelled all Irish people as members of the IRA on the Real Sociedad post is, potentially, an offensive racist, or an ignorant fool, but that is in a completely different league.
I used to attend a comedy club regularly. 99.9% of the comedy was offensive to somebody - Americans, Germans, merchant bankers, politicians, actors, fat people, slappers, "Chavs", etcetera. On one occasion, my best friend was upset by a joke directed at him. But he was happy to laugh when the jokes were at somebody else's expense. We can't apologise for every joke because then we have to stop laughing! Part of being a mature adult is the ability to laugh at yourself. It is also something that we, as Brits, used to be proud of. Look at Little Britain. It ridicules shop keepers, the mentally insane, fat people, transvestites, the incontinent, the Women's Institute etcetera. All sorts of people will be offended potentially but who cares, for three series, it was bloody funny. Just imagine if every episode began witha list of apologies based on who claimed to have been offended by the previous episode!
John,
Where did you hear about him passing? Nevertheless, I do think the wages were too much anyway. It was reported that he was on 50k at Pompey and took a 7.5k cut for us to agree, but 42.5k a week on Ben Haim?
Yes, Grant probably did ask for Ben Haim. It was one of those 'who do you want to bring with you from your old club?' kind of things, as with Piquionne.
We were short on goals but at the same time we were short on strikers so it kind of makes sense. But I distinctly remember us taking the lead on a number of occasion but failing to hold on. Even though not scoring many kind of hid this flaw, not being able to hold on to leads is a defensive issue.
I admit, they are doing something about up front but we mustn't forget the back. All great managers/teams start from there. Apparently we've upped our bid for Remy and its close to being accepted. The signing of Piquionne seems even more strange now...unless Cole is going to be sold of course.
Stani I read an apology by I believe it was the 'Jewish Chronicle' posted in yesterdays 'News Now' stating their piece about 'Ben Haim failing his medical' was incorrect, and in fact he had passed the medical exceedingly well.
I hope the squad we have this season will be physically and mentally stronger and be sufficiently positive to press home the advantage of a lead rather than easily giving it away as we did on so many occasions last season.
John,
Was the article written by Mr Kipling? ("Exceedingly" :))
On a serious note, I've always known us to have that thing about us where we sit back, get nervous and invite pressure whenever we take the lead. We've been doing it for as long as I can remember and I hate it. We need to develop confidence in carrying on playing after taking the lead, and a killer instinct.
Racist? what a narrow minded moron you really are Merile! I dont see anything remotely racist in this article. Eye-tie is an abbreviation and is the equivelent of someone calling me a Brit!!! Ohhhh quick, i called myself a Brit, someone call the police!!!
People who play the race card at every given opportunity should be arrested for inciting racial hatred themselves.
Well said Chunky
hf is a pleb and eyetie is offensive and I have informed DS's legal representatives today and they believe he'll take a dim view of the article especially as HF has used quotation marks which incorrectly give the impression of a direct quote from David Sullivan.
1631 is a moron! So mate, share with us the name of Mr Sullivan's legal representative! I understand the firm of solicitors is Dildo, Dildo and Bondagegear.
Pleb! what a great word, finally someone has found a four letter word that perfectly sums up HF.
It is an 8 letter word but you're too much of a plebeian to know that.
Actually you low brow commoner, pleb is a noun in its own right.
Pleb
–noun
1.
a member of the plebs; a plebeian or commoner.
Origin:
1525–35; < L plÄ“bÄ“i ( us ) of the plebs ( plÄ“bÄ“ ( s ) plebs + -ius adj. suffix) + -an
Plebeian is the adjective
So sir, it is proved you are indeed a pleb of the highest order!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ple·be·ian (pl-bn)
adj.
1. Of or relating to the common people of ancient Rome: a plebeian magistrate.
2. Of, belonging to, or characteristic of commoners.
3. Unrefined or coarse in nature or manner; common or vulgar: plebeian tastes.
NOUN.
1. One of the common people of ancient Rome.
2. A member of the lower classes.
3. A vulgar or coarse person.
Whereas:
pleb
n
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) SHORT for plebeian
2. Brit informal, often derogatory a common vulgar person See also plebs
In otherf words, pleb is a slang abbreviation of plebeian as I said. You plebeian!
pleb is singular and is a member of the plebeians - you are pleb!
pleb is not slang
According to the Collins English Dictionary 'Pleb' is British slang for Plebeian
Now John that's unfair! Of course the plebeians are now wondering how Ginge found the time to compile a dictionary!
They still will not admit they are wrong of course! Go on plebeians, show some nobility, say, "We was wrong oh God of all Knowledge Fanno. You was right about this as you have been right about so so many things. You was right about Zola and about Ashton and about Behrami and about Green and about our relegation struggle and about Avram and...but Great and Mighty Fanno, the list is too long. We the West Ham plebeians bow down before your throne and, in all fitting humbleness, say unto thee, we was wrong oh mighty one, and recognise your superior intelligence."
Did I detect a slight note of egotism there HF?
Eotism John? The great still need some things, but modesty aint one of them! ; ]
But a g key that doesn't stick is!!!!
Collins English diction?!?!?! well I'm not surprised it is after all a inferior dictonary - my Oxford English dictionary says the following....
pleb
n
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) SHORT for plebeian
2. Brit informal, often derogatory a common vulgar person See also plebs.
Cambridge Dictionary
pleb noun
/pleb/ n [C] informal disapproving
a person of a low social class
What point are you trying to make? You confirm it is an abbreviation and slang but we have already proved that! The dictionaries concur on that point!
Hmmm... can you explain exactly how an inanimate object such as a dictionary concurs?
Easy. Definition of concur:
con·cur
Pronunciation: \kən-ˈkər, kän-\
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): con·curred; con·cur·ring
Etymology: Middle English concurren, from Latin concurrere, from com- + currere to run — more at car
Date: 15th century
1 : to act together to a common end or single effect
2 a : approve b : to express agreement
3 obsolete : to come together : meet
4 : to happen together : coincide
synonyms see agree
Understand now? Or do I need to look up the Oxford English dictionary and see if it agrees / concurs with this definition?
Now, how about you look up twat and then look in the mirror? The reflection and definition will concur!
How do dictionary act together? dictionary's don't act at all
nor do they express agreement
or indeed come together or for that matter happen together - so once against I ask you how does a dictionary concur?
Dictionary's ie more than one of them, cannot concur together
I cannot concur with you I am afraid. I quote:
Source: Second autopsy on Adams Concurs with First
By Neil Hayeson January 19, 2010 4:50 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBacks (0)
Gaines Adams' original autopsy concluded that the 26-year-old defensive end died of cardiac arrest as the result of an enlarged heart. A second autopsy requested by the family was performed at a different medical facility on Tuesday morning and produced the same conclusion, according to a source knowledgeable with the situation.
Gaines died on Sunday morning of "natural causes," according to Deputy Coroner Marcia Kelley-Clark said. http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2010/0/source_second_autopsy_on_adams.html
So autopsies can concur!
Dartmouth's German Studies programs take place in Berlin, which the New York Times calls "the coolest city in Europe" (3/19/06). The Washington Post concurs: "It truly is the most exciting city in Europe at present"
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~german/gerabroad.html
And newspapers concur!
That figure concurs with the estimate made to The Times by Father Amalraj, a Roman Catholic priest who fled the no-fire zone on May 16 and is now interned with 200,000 other survivors in Manik Farm refugee camp. It would take the final toll above 20,000. “Higher,” a UN source told The Times. “Keep going.” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6383449.ece
And figures concur!
Tell me, are autopsies, newspapers and figures animate? You sir, as I said, are a twat. Now, admit you concur with my opinion of you because you have made yourself look incredibly foolish. No wonder you hide behind anonymity! What a plebeian!
LOL 2131, and the plural of dictionary is dictionaries, you absolute moron!
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